Reflections for Session #8 (3/12)

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    As ususal there was a wealth of information. So much struggle going on in China. I am continually amazed at how resilient China is. To have to deal with Civil war, foreign conflict and invasion from Japan and still emerge somewhat victorious is just amazing. All signs point to China being divided and conquered buy the West and Japan. It's also interesting to speculate what could have happened if the Nationalists and Communists could have collaborated, could war and conflict with Japan be avoided? Would they have been able to resist the Japanese in Machuria and Nanjing? If the Guomindang had been able to defeat the Communist after the long march, and unify the country, would the result be different? Would China have emerged as a super power? If the civil war had ended, perhaps the country could have allied behind one true government and defeated the Japanese. Highly unlikey though since Mao was able to reach the peasants and rural farmers, whereas the Guomindang had focused on the cities. Perhaps the Guomindang would have realized this and tried to unify the rural and urban areas of China. Taken a cue from Japan and begin the modernization process? Which brings me to Clay's questions. Why did the new government establish laws regarding marriage and land?
    First with regards to marriage ( I deliberately have not looked/researched here), I can only imagine that there was a desire to return to traditonal Confucian ideals and a return of family order. The rebellions of the ealry 20th century and the modernization of China was a jolt to the Chinese people I am sure. So Mao, having come from the peasant class, probably felt that the country needed to return to traditional ideals. It will only strengthen the country. With the experiements of divorce, it seemed to only create more internal struggle, I would say that it was an attempt to keep a hold on the country in the easiest way it saw fit.

    As for land, China's welath ahs always come from land and taxes. So the Communist are trying to fulfill the land reforms that it campaigned on. If the wealthy had the land, warlords, etc, then if the peasants are on the land, it can appease them and still collectthe taxes that the country needs. I am not sure if this is the right idea, but that is what I am going with. Looking forward to seeing what you all think.

    #18491
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    If a revolution, by definition, involves the violent overthrow of an existing government, those formerly in power had better get out of the way, or heads will roll. The privileged minority can choose to embrace the cause of the people (and abandon their extravagant lifestyles) or to run (and stay away). Mao’s revolution drew its strength from a rural base comprising of millions of peasants. When a critical mass is achieved to effect a radical change in the power structure the excitement must be terrific. The corrupt or complacent elite are pushed out. The new regime has to act fast to acknowledge where its power lies and to redress grievances.
    Land reform is a common theme with most revolutions. The question of ownership of land arises. Can land belong to an individual (or a corporation acting as one)? Or does it belong to the community (the collective)? Peasants have a special relationship with the land, but they do not want to work for someone else’s gain alone. The smart move is to redistribute land (and wealth) so that the peasants can own their means of productivity (Marxism) and to indoctrinate a spirit of belonging to a greater community that transcends the gain of individual families (Mo’ism). Remember there are hundreds of millions to be fed. Should not the workers of the land be an integral and respected part of a great leap forward?
    Women and more than half of the population (normally) and probably do much more than half of the world’s “real” work, yet they own a tiny fraction of the world’s “material” wealth. The revolution has to acknowledge the role of women. They may not feature prominently amidst the political leaders, but they are an essential component of the rank and file of the masses. The revolution would crumble without the support of women, their contribution to the labor force and every facet of the community. The old traditional role of subservience to husband or master has to disappear. The new marriage policies should reflect equal terms for both genders, a removal of patriarchal privileges along with inheritance rights for male progeny first.
    Better yet, there is no property, just a guarantee of food, shelter, education, health-care and work for all. You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.

    #18492
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    I was impressed by the wealth of information that was given to us during the last session. So many events took place during the years of the revolution and civil war in China. It gave me so many ideas to incorporate into my lessons, but the one that called my attention the most was the experiment of the gender equality during that time. It was interesting and thought provoking to know that there was a very brief time when women were able to request divorces if they were not happy with their marriages. What was happening in the minds of those people? What was the role the women were trying to achieve? Why men got so worried about their marriages dissolving? Most importantly, how this experiment in gender equality came to be? Other event that got my attention was the fact that the communists were almost defeated and years later they became the leadership of their country. Also, the fact that both parties had the same foundation and philosophy, but different goals. Then why they were so opposed to each other and why in the end they did not work together to defeat the Japanese. I wonder if they had worked together the massacre of Nanjing could have been prevented? Sadly, there are not ifs in history, but I believe we can learn from it to help modern societies to avoid senseless lost of lives. Cheers!!Darth Lightsabers

    #18493
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    I also received so many ideas to incorporate into my own lessons. For example, why did the communists beat the Guomindang? It really hit home when Clay described the passion that the communists spread throughout China. It seems as though it was more than a political ideology, almost a religion. Just like the way religions have been spread throughout history, communism also appealed to those that did not have a voice - the poor and the women. Thinking along those lines, it is not hard to see why land and marriage reforms were made. Land redistribution had to occur in order to maintain peasant support. Marriage laws allowing divorce would be a way to maintain female support. I want to know how lasting and realistic these goals became.

    #18494
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    I most interested in the rape of Nanjing because some of my students are currently studying this for a project we are doing. The next day I tried to get Iris Chang's book, but my library only had a different book she wrote, and not the one on Nanjing. I would have liked to have read it; I find her story very tragic, and wonder why she killed herself over the backlash of this novel. If not her book, what credible source can be used to research this topic? I'd like to rent Flowers of war to learn more about it. I'm looking forward to learning more about communisms role in China, what was discussed on Tuesday interested me.

    #18495
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    This was by far the most informationally overloaded session I've experienced to date. Clay was especially thorough on this evening. This session was more of a microcosmic view of events than the other sessions. The examination of events pre-WWII through the war and continuing into the post-war period was very intense and at times it was a bit difficult for me to follow. But what did come across to me as the most interesting was how the Chinese Communist Party was able to survive and eventually come out as the dominant force in the Chinese political landscape.

    I was intrigued by the guile and stubbornness of the Communist leadership that led to their eventual success. The fact that they were pursued and chased into the Chinese hinterland and came out of that period with increased numbers and support of the people was fascinating. It is surprising to me that the people flocked to a party that had little to do with the defeat of the Japanese. I would have thought that the people's loyalty would go to the force that fought for Chinese nationalism and expulsion of a conquering nation. But once again, I wouldn't have known the specifics of this argument without studying it further. Clay's lecture brought these facts to light with me.

    #18496
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    I find it very interesting that the Nationalists and Communists had the same mission and yet the end product was different. I believe the same happened with the Red and White Russians. Am not sure if this is endemic of these types of movements or any movements/politics. Though, Trotsky's fate was different than Chiang Kai-Shek's.

    In the classroom, this lends itself to all kinds of possibilities: pro/con; Nationalists vs. Communists; different courses of actions (the Nationalists should have finished off the Reds when they had the chance, etc.); CKS vs. Mao, and on and on. A geography lesson and activity also lends itself to this.
    edited by mcastillo on 3/28/2013

    #18497
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    Obviously a time of great turmoil and change. I have been thinking about the questions Clay asked at the end of class regarding changes in marriage and property laws. The property laws seem rather obvious --- if you are going to create a communist revolution, you must first start with land reform. My guess is that the feeling was that previous reform movements didnt go anywhere near far enough. In regards to marriage laws, maybe it is because of how marriage transfered properties. This was seen as being inequitable. I dont not necessarily think it was because of some actual, rather than nominal attempt to grant women equal rights, in light of the fact that women seem under represented in positions of power.

    #18498
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    I really enjoyed the Women’s Revolution topic in the lecture from March 12th. I found it fascinating that even in a Communist society women are fighting to be heard. American women were fighting to be heard in the late 1800’s. It is evident that women across all cultures and times are trying to be treated as equal as possible. Recently in Saudi Arabia, King Abdullah ruled that women would be allowed to vote and run as candidates in nationwide local elections for the first time in 2011. This served as a huge step forward for the Muslim community.
    Another topic that really stood out to me was that divorce was being granted to married couples in the Communist party. This reminded me of the Reformation time period in Europe when King Henry VIII separated from the Catholic Church in order to divorce his wife.

    #18499
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    During our last session, I enjoyed the session on China. I feel as if China’s history prior to WWII is a bit difficult for me to understand. The language is challenging to pronounce. I drew interest towards the Rape of Nanjing. I enjoyed learning about the women of the night and their role to the military men. Moreover, I saw the movie The Flowers of War which was very insightful to the role of women. I disliked the fact that women were treated as lower species during the time. I also could not believe that there was so much going on during a time of war, that focused away from the fighting that was taking place.

    In addition, I have been thinking a lot about creating my lesson plan to George Orwell’s 1984 and making a connection to East Asia. Although I have been working on this, I am having trouble making some connections. Any suggestions or ideas are welcomed.
    edited by dcoronel on 4/2/2013

    #18500
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    As gruesome as the topic was, I found the discussion of the horrors of war to be particularly eye-opening. I was shocked to learn about Unit 731. I usually think of Nazi doctors as one of the worst examples of medical war crimes, but low and behold Japanese treatment of prisoners for the purposes of medical research were truly atrocious.

    #18501
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    @Dcoronel I thought a bit about your connections to George Orwell's novel and the connection to East Asia. I was thinking perhaps you could make connections to "Big Brother" and North Korea's censorship? Dystopian society? Just a few thoughts. I hope it helps. There are numerous articles about North Korea's censorship that you could have students read. Compare/Contrast North and South and the novel?

    #18502
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    I have always been interested in Mao and this class I found particularly interesting. In addition, I use the Rape of Nanjing in my World History class and am appreciative to have the additional information from Professor Dube regarding this event. My lectures keep on getting more and more interesting. I have used excerpts from Chang's book but will reconsider now knowing that it is a little more biased than I knew.

    #18503
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    I always thought that Germany had prior knowledge of Japan's plan to attack Pearl Harbor. Per Dube, I guess I was completely wrong. In addition, I was intrigued by the life on the homefront in Japan and the destitute starvation that existed. Plus, no jazz? no food or jazz makes life pretty much not worth living.

    #18504
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    The rape of Naajing and the continual oppression of women by and for military men is an issue that horrifies me. I connected this to my English class as we read other articles about women being blamed for witchcraft and along with the Scarlet Letter. Opening my predominately male class to the sufferings of their sisters and mothers and brought about poignant conversation.

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