Thoughts on Session 11 (W/Dr. Dube)
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May 22, 2012 at 2:12 am #20320
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GuestOur China - East Asia Seminar has come to an end and what a remarkable experience indeed! Interesting and relevant information was presented by Dr. Dube that will surely be used in my classrooms for years to come. The support staff at the China Institute has been supportive - thank you too! I enjoyed spending the sessions with fellow seminar participants, and as we lined up for our group portrait I waxed a bit sentimental recalling past group closure portraits. Truly, all is well that ends well. Today's classroom quotation comes from Charlelmagne's last words: "Be humble and kind to one another."
May 22, 2012 at 3:34 am #20321Anonymous
GuestAs an immigrant from China (Taiwan), I grew up assuming Chinese people who move away from China come to the United States (directly or indirectly). Only "recently" did I realize many Chinese immigrate to other places in the world, such a Central and South America, Europe, Australia, so on. Now I should add Africa, too! I came across this video(http://www.wimp.com/chineseafrica/) by Al Jeezera. Im' still forming my thoughts on it. Hope it will stimulate yours too.
May 22, 2012 at 4:57 am #20322Anonymous
GuestSorry. came across this video (http://www.wimp.com/traveltime/). See how many elements of Chinese traditions and concepts you can identify? Just off the top of my head...respect for your elders/ancestors, male playing female role, Chinese brush caligraphy, ????? Hope you won't feel it's a waste of your time watching it.
May 22, 2012 at 7:22 am #20323Anonymous
GuestThe session ended and I was left wanting to know more about present day China. Just like the lectures about Japan, I was able to understand why the Chinese culture now (or Japanese for that matter) has certain rituals, why Chinese people behave in certain ways, for example, why tea is served with most meals or the importance of family heritage or their tendencies to save rather than spend. Also, I often wondered why China, for the longest time, was not part of the major economic powers...yesterday I learned the reason. Thank you Dr. Dube, for you enthusiasm and your desire to share your knowledge.
May 22, 2012 at 2:07 pm #20324Anonymous
GuestI want to add to ccastaneda's and other's mention of gratitude to Clay for his enthusiasm and vast knowledge of his subject matter. I have rarely if ever, had such a stimulating and knowledgeable professor. Of many things, it was interesting to learn yesterday that the Manchus accomodated the Chinese systems into their government and had dual positions filled by both a Manchu and a Chinese and also that they were the ones who defeated the Mongols and that the Manchurian reign lasted for almost 300 years.
May 27, 2012 at 9:56 am #20325Anonymous
GuestI, too, would like to thank Dr. Dube for his informational and interesting lectures. When I was in school, I never liked history, not to mention the long Chinese history. After attending this seminar, I found a new love and appreciation of history and finally enjoy learning about it. Thank you again Dr. Dube. I’ll miss your Monday lectures and my fellow seminar participants.
May 27, 2012 at 10:02 am #20326Anonymous
GuestI am amazed that the Tang dynasty was the most open to the outside world compared with other Chinese dynasties. The imperial families of the Tang intermarried with families from Persia and Central Asia. Women during this dynasty were open-minded. They even played polo and competed with men. It’s very different from the ancient Chinese women that I have known.
During this period, Jews came, Buddhism thrived and Christianity was introduced to China. Tang artists also incorporated styles and forms from Persia, India, and Mongolia, and then created a new culture. Tang culture’s influence was so great that it was later passed onto other parts of the world. Now I finally understand why Chinatown is also called Tang Ren Jie (Tang People Street) in Chinese.
June 2, 2012 at 12:23 pm #20327Anonymous
GuestAt the last session, we went over the family instructions from the Miu lineage in Guangdong, China. Back then, the Miu family was instructed not to celebrate one’s birthday until one turned sixty years old. That’s why Dr. Dube mentioned that “60” is the magic age.
I remember when I was little, my family held a huge banquet at a restaurant to celebrate my grandfather’s 60th birthday. Before that, I don’t recall celebrating anybody’s birthday this way. It wasn’t until mid 80s that my family started to celebrate important birthdays such as 20, 30 and so on. I think in the old days, people’s life expectancy was shorter. People who could live up to 60 were considered to have a long life and it was worth celebrating.
June 7, 2012 at 4:34 am #20328Anonymous
GuestLike I said in the beginning of the seminar, I really don't have much prior knowledge about Asia. It was a big gaping hole in my own education. Now I feel like I have some kind of basic, though focused knowledge to build upon in the future, and a lot more information to bring to my classroom, which is of course the whole point of these seminars.
I am grateful to Professor Dube and the whole US-China Institute for the opportunity to learn so much in such a short and simple format.
It was sort of sad leaving this class for the last time. I am hopeful I can fit in the modern Asia seminar next year--I just got an apartment in Pasadena so it would certainly be convenient!June 7, 2012 at 4:47 am #20329Anonymous
GuestRe: the celebration of birthdays. My wife finds it so interesting that my parents don't make a big deal about their birthdays. I had the benefit of the American-style celebrations growing up.
The level to which every single aspect of their lives was structured in the family instructions was quite extraordinary. However, the "boiler plate" contracts were totally mind-blowing to me! It was as if legalzoom.com traveled back in time to get the idea from China.
When we started linking to the rise of the Industrial West, I found myself really interested by the amount of interconnectivity that existed between China and the western world (particularly the US) that existed that far back. I guess from a Chinese cultural perspective it hasn't been that long, but considering that China has been a part of a national consciousness since before we were a nation boggled my mind a little bit. The little details of Franklin's books on the subject and Jefferson's use of Chinese motifs at Monticello were particularly intriguing.
June 7, 2012 at 3:29 pm #20330Anonymous
GuestThough it was a bitter sweet moment leaving the class, I would like to thank Clay for being a great Professor. Not only did he give us the opportunity to learn about East Asia, but he engages the class with his sense of humor through the lectures.
June 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm #20331Anonymous
GuestGrowing up in an Asian family myself, I never recall celebrating my parents birthday as well. Most of my aunts and uncle didn't celebrate their birthday's either because most never had birth certificates to remember the day or year they were born. Again, they don't make a big deal out of their birthdays nor did they make a big deal out of ours. Now, as some mentioned, as my generation got older in their 20s and 30s, we celebrate our parents birthday and of course, we make a big deal out of it now.
June 10, 2012 at 3:53 pm #20332Anonymous
GuestThank you Dr. Clay for this great class. Through this class I became interested in history, I finally learned the Chronology of Chinese History. You are a fun professor and a great model for me on how to teach. You always take time to answer our questions, give us feed back, and lead us to the right direction. It showed in our debate class on Chinese Philosophy. You made us became an expert in our part of the debate, and you acknowledge each one of us, you clarify things for us. Appreciate your opening yourself to us!
edited by rliao on 6/10/2012June 11, 2012 at 6:22 am #20333Anonymous
GuestI thought I had posted something under the final session but apparently I did not. Even though it has already been said, I want to thank Professor Dube and Professor Yamashita for their work and dedication to the class. As teachers we don’t hear that enough. I want to say that it was certainly interesting to come to class and learn a little about the history of the region. Teaching in a school that has a lot of Asian students (nearly 50%) I can see the benefits for the background. I plan on incorporating some of the legal documents in my Economics class.
I also want to thank my colleagues that came ready to discuss the materials and for their input into the class. Your insight into the class and the readings was invaluable. Collaboration is always great and thank you all.
I did want to comment on the class itself. There was certainly a theme of respect from all the cultures and countries we saw. All the lectures seemed to have a focus on hierarchy and respecting the authority in place. Whether it was form teachers, or the ruling class, etc. there was always a level that was emphasized. Interesting to see that some themes are universal. However I also noticed that were times where the class lacked that respect for Clay. I was a little disturbed to see so many people arriving late and leaving early throughout the entire course, especially on the all day Saturday class at USC. I just think that we owe it to the Professor to arrive on time and to extend him our courtesy. There were also many instances when people were just browsing online while he was lecturing and I wonder that if it were our students not giving us the respect we would like, how would we feel react? I understand everyone is busy but I just feel that as professionals, we need to act as such. I don’t mean this to be a criticism but rather an observation.June 12, 2012 at 2:27 am #20334Anonymous
GuestI want to add another note. I have to agree with Steve on the legal documents on Commercial Activities, as i read through them again it does look like an easy fill in the blank legal zoom tyoe of thing. Great insight on what was going on with the legalminds of the day, andone can see how someone must have been swindeled out of something valuable before the documents existed. proof thatthere will alawys be aneed for lawyers.
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