Thoughts on Session #5 (Monday, April 23)
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April 23, 2012 at 1:39 pm #20434
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GuestI really enjoyed the debate. I missed a lot of stuff when reading about the philosophies but after the debate I understand them a bit more. I think I must read the Tao of Pooh after all this.
April 23, 2012 at 1:44 pm #20435GuestBy the way, here is a creepy Ying Yang picture
http://fc00.deviantart.net/images/i/2002/35/a/c/YING_YANG_DemoniK.jpgbut this is my fav
April 23, 2012 at 2:37 pm #20436GuestThe debate during this session was very interesting. If I had a middle school class or a high school class, I can see myself incorporating this kind of similar debate model into my lesson plan. I actually got a chance to look at more pictures of the Hengshan temple, and the walkway was pretty narrow. Looking at the other angles and the pictures at night of the Henshan temple looked gorgeous. I am very fond with temples.
April 23, 2012 at 2:43 pm #20437GuestI really like the Yoda and Vader as well
April 23, 2012 at 2:55 pm #20438GuestI did enjoy the debate as I wanted to chime in but the rules prevented it. The legalist in me recognized the rules and adhered to the rules for fear of Clay coming down on me. That said, it was fun and helped to frame the idealogies better.
I must confess I felt a bit like the ELD Asian student learning about Washington and Jefferson when taking notes about the class. The regions and leaders are hard to grasp without a better context. I need time to absorb inormation and blowing through the content I can get an idea of how my ELD students must feel. Ultimately I get the material and info, but at a slower rate.April 23, 2012 at 3:34 pm #20439GuestI was part of the Legalist team. I felt we had the easiest, most straight-forward philosophy. I felt this school of thought had many similarities to Machiavellianism, which was part of my political science studies in college. Of the four "families," I thought its concepts were the easiest to grasp and the most simple to administer (by a government). Maybe this was the reason the Qin rulers went with Legalism. Another thought: Could Legalism work in a democratic society, where laws and policies are susceptible to political trends? Laws then might not be clear, and thus enforcement would not be consistent. Sorry. Another thought: What was the judicial system like during the Qin Dynasty? What happens when a person is falsely accused, or if a criminal act has extenuating circumstances?
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edited by eting on 4/23/2012April 23, 2012 at 3:56 pm #20440GuestWow. I keep seeing more and more parallels between Western and Eastern histories/thoughts. Not sure why or how. For example, in addition to Legalism/Machiavellianism, feudal Japan/feudal Europe (can you tell I taught 7th grade world history once?), today Clay mentioned Mandate of Heaven, and Divine Right of Kings popped in my head. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Chinese translation of the New Testament for "In the beginning was the Word..." in John 1:1, "Word" is translated as Dao. Interesting.
edited by eting on 4/23/2012April 24, 2012 at 1:52 am #20441GuestI want to thank Professor Dube and fellow student scholars for a truly enjoyable session debating China's major philosophical traditions. I doubt my comments on Mohism converted any participant to change their life's WAY. I guess I find myself drawn to Legalism as a possible philosophical foundation, but I don't want to abandon Mohism's key idea of universal love. How about Legalism in a 'Velvet Glove'? This examination of Chinese philosophies makes me wonder how much of the 'Western Mind' is mostly an exercise in plagiarism.
April 24, 2012 at 4:53 am #20442GuestIt was very helpful to participate in the debate and I have already been thinking about how I can modify the activity for use in my classroom. I have had students make political posters for their assigned philosophy, based on primary source readings, but now I will incorporate the debate into it as well. With an average of 36 in the class, I think that I will divide everyone into two debate groups, with group A in the middle debating on certain issues while group B watches and fills in the charts/takes note from the outside and then switch roles for additional issues.....
April 24, 2012 at 10:59 am #20443GuestI too felt restricted by the structure of the debate, though I sort of understand the limited time and goals trying to be attained. I really wanted to counter the comment made by the Daoists that the hierarchical system of Confucius was against nature... Is it not part of nature that sons are born to fathers, and elder brothers have younger brothers, and therefore some deference must be paid to this natural order?
Nevertheless, it was strange to be a part of the debate and not just mediating it. I think it helped us understand the basic ideas and purpose of each philosophy.
The peek into ancient Chinese history felt a bit rushed and yes, @mandrade I too feel slow trying to grasp and remember everything. I feverishly take notes, although I noticed someone had the notes handouts already in her binder. Wish I had that!April 25, 2012 at 2:22 am #20444GuestYesterday I attended a teacher's workshop at the Getty Center entitled 'Famous Faces'. Getty Education Specialists, Veronica Alvarez and Theresa Soto with veteran teacher/photographer Ron Walcott, walked us through the galleries to examine posing and composing techniques of famous photographers. Needless to say, I kept my eyes open for something special and unique for professor Dube's USC China and East Asia photo archives. I found a photograph of Marilyn Monroe's countenance super-imposed on Mao's Tianamen Square portrait! A la lipstick and eye shadow! Fortunately, the Center Gift Shop did not have this photograph for sale. I doubt Professor Dube would want to startle Chinese visitors to USC with this blatant slander of their communist 'George Washington'. I shall sign off with the quotation I used for today's 'Thought of the Day' "A diplomat . . . is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you actually look forward to the trip." by Caskie Stinnett
April 26, 2012 at 8:54 am #20445GuestHere is the picture of the Michael Bedard print, Sitting Ducks. Please note that the middle duck is busy reading Sun Tzu (Act Of War)!
April 26, 2012 at 8:56 am #20446GuestOops! Unintentional key stroke! I meant Sun Tsu's Art of War!
April 26, 2012 at 9:07 am #20447GuestLearning about the philosophies was eye-opening. It opened a whole new way of looking at society, life, family, and the individual because although, we as a Western culture, embrace many of the same ideologies, we utilize them and adapt them in different ways. I liked being able to learn and perhaps simulate a similar debate in my class for students taking World History. I could my students thoroughly enjoying a new way of looking at life and its structure.
April 26, 2012 at 10:11 am #20448GuestMonday’s debate really helped me think and understand the four schools of philosophy better.
This week my Chinese 2 students learned a new vocabulary word “走道. (aisle, walkway)” The second character 道 is the Dao (the way) we talked about in Daoism. While explaining the meaning of the word “走道”, I took the opportunity to introduce a little bit about Daoism. -
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