Session 2 w/Dr. Dube
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October 21, 2011 at 3:14 pm #20931
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GuestIn our session, Dr. Dube talked about the growth and development of Shenzhen in China. I wanted to ask but didn't have a chance: how would this city compare to a place like Brasilia or even Las Vegas? They, too, are cities that developed quickly more or less out of nothing.
October 24, 2011 at 12:24 pm #20932clay dube
SpectatorGood point about Brasilia (or Canberra), two invented capital cities and about Las Vegas. None of those is close to Shenzhen in size (12 million people) or in the speed at which they rose. Also, Shenzhen didn't rise because it became a center of a national government, it rose because of business investment. Brasilia, Canberra, and Las Vegas are service-dominated cities, Shenzhen is a manufacturing superpower, which is now also adding education to its strengths.
October 27, 2011 at 12:27 am #20933Anonymous
GuestI really liked all the geography and how it relates to the US. It will be interesting to show my students the pictures.
October 30, 2011 at 3:24 am #20934Anonymous
GuestI am a keen student of geography and how the topographical features has directed the th directions and the way in which different dynasties and empires have progressed and formed. It was interesting to note how many 'flash points' China is dealing with its surrounding neighbors. Looking at the map, it reminds me of a huge bowl in the middle (China) with firework sizzlers lighting up all around. The commercial ('made in China') and cultural (food, China towns, etc) reach is well established. We're seeing a more belligerent China spreading its aggressive stance and the surrounding countries are understandably anxious.
October 31, 2011 at 7:49 am #20935Anonymous
GuestIn this session, we focused on the geography and development of Japan, China, and Korea. I was surprised to learn that city Shenzhen was built primarily on migration. If anyone from China traveled to Shenzhen and internal passport was required. It was also interesting to learn that the Japanese tea ceremony which is very structured and rigid brought a ritual of freedom for the Japanese. The professor explained that since people knew exactly what to expect in a tea ceremony there was a comfort level which brought a feeling of freedom.
The most shocking image that I remember from the session was the satellite
night image of East Asia which depicted North Korea as completely dark while most of East Asia had lighting and use of electricity. Although North Korea is slowly advancing in technology, there still seems to be a restriction to the outside world.October 31, 2011 at 7:51 am #20936Anonymous
GuestWe focused on the new city of Shenzhen -- a city built on migration...no long standing traditions and no single cultural group represnted.....
"nimbryism" has sprung up -- even though the city was built on factories....now people do not want factories "in my backyard."Japan's geography -- agricultural districts still have a more important role in politics as the districts have not been re drawn as people left the rural areas after WW2 and have moved to the urban areas.
The tea ceremony is "freeing" to the Japanese (hard for me to get) as a participant knows exactly what to expect -- nothing surprising.Over 15,000 people died in the most recent Japanese earthquake and 5,000 are still missing
The population of Japan has remained fairly stable -- little if any government intervention needed -- people regulate themselves. However, today Japan is experiencing a "graying" of population.
China has 16 neighbors -- growing but needs to be concerned about a lack of water supply. Their population has been regulated -- 1 child per family -- boys are favored so girls have a pick of husbands!
Korea -- Korea was controlled by Japan from 1905 to 1945 -- consequently Japan is not well liked in Korea today.
A short discussion on Chinese philosophies: Confucianism, Daoism, Mohism and Legalism---debate will follow.
October 31, 2011 at 8:53 am #20937Anonymous
Guestthe lecture for the Oct. 17th consisted of Japanese, Korean & Chinese geography and philosophy. Japan is considered an affluent country with a high standard of living and healthcare. Tokyo is the world's largest city. Rice and tea are important components of Japanese agriculture trade along with their cultural significance of tradition and the ritualization aspect of each. Castles, Mf Fuji and the bullet train represent the important cultural aspects of Japanese technology and sites. An interesting point about the Japanese is that between the years 1720 and 1850 the Japanses willingly regulated their population through abortion and contraception - it was not a governmental policy - individual families chose to regulate sex and spacing. Currently Japan has a huge "graying population and their population as a whole is declining thus they have become technologically advanced in the robotics technology.
China is roughly the same size as the United States with 16 neighbors bordering and have had disputes with all 16 of them during their history. The majority of China's population lives in the east however most of the land is to the west. Linguistically their are 50 different ethnic groups. There are 4 primary rivers in China; Yellow River, Shanghai (Long River), Yangzi River and the Pearl River. China interestingly enough does not have enough water. For further research Dr. Dube suggests that we view the DVD - Up the Yangzi, which was made before the damn was completed.
Korea, geographically their is North and South Korea. Between 1905 and 1945 the Japanese ran Korea the rule was fierce and many Korean sur names were lost. I will definitely read the book "Lost Names", I find this historical fact fascinating. North Korea is the only world communist monarchy. Neither the north or the south acknowldege the legitimacy of each other. Most Koreans live in Soeul.
edited by CathieDR1 on 10/31/2011October 31, 2011 at 9:02 am #20938Anonymous
GuestDuring this session we focused on the geographical features surrounding China.The city of Shenzhen is one of the 4 economic zones which opened in 1979,and is twice as big as Hong Kong. In Shenzhen,the official language is Mandarin,but most speak Cantonese.China has 16 neighbors,and is surrounded by 5 rivers.Most people live in the southeast,and 94%of the population live in the country.
Japan, now imports rice due to a rice shortage.The people moved from farms to factories keeping rice at higher prices which resulted in the political power keeping foreign rice out, the Japanese then began importing rice from Thailand.
Korea was dominated by Japan in 1905 by defeating Russia, and was annexed into Japan in 1910. They officially won their independence from Japan in 1945 but continued to harbor feelings of resentment towards the Japanese.
edited by asilvestre on 10/31/2011October 31, 2011 at 2:13 pm #20939Anonymous
GuestOne of the posts mentioned the idea of Japanese tea ceremony being "freeing" in its repetitiveness & said that was hard to understand. I would have agreed with you a few years back, but I was fortunate enough to spend time studying the tea ceremony while I lived abroad. It really is meditative -- almost like yoga in a sense. You know exactly what to do but have to try to perfect the gestures, which do vary a fair amount from season to season. There's not a lot of chit-chat, and you focus, as yoga devotees might say, "on your practice." I know I'm mixing cultures with this comparison, but they do give a similar feeling.
November 11, 2011 at 6:41 am #20940Anonymous
GuestThere were many fascinating points Prof. Dube made throughout this session. One of the points that really stood out for me that I can easily use in my classroom is the geographical comparison of Japan, China, and S. Korea to California. The population comparison also shows how concentrated the populations are in certain cities found in all three Asian countries. This would be a great opportunity to show how even in California most of the population is located in Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco.
November 11, 2011 at 6:48 am #20941Anonymous
GuestA key tool I appreciate is the use of visuals, such as, superimposing the many countries of the world that would fit in China. These constant comparisons of China to other parts of the world shows the immensity of the geographical size of the country of China and it reminds me why it has played and continues to play such a crucial role in the world.
November 13, 2011 at 12:27 pm #20942Anonymous
GuestAs Dr. Dube lectures, I tend to think about how I can relate the information he is sharing with us to my students. I think that when I cover Asia in my World History class of doing an assignment, where my students would just be provided with maps, and population tables and see what assumptions they can make. For example, give them different types of maps of China, Korea and Japan and have them make assumptions for each one and then have them compare them to each other. Then add population tables to the mix. Have them predict problems and discuss possible solutions to those problems.
November 28, 2011 at 11:57 am #20943Anonymous
GuestIt will be interesting to see Japanese innovations grapple with Japan’s aging population. Can technology compensate for an elderly population or will the Japanese have to turn to other sources for man/woman power such as opening doors to immigrant populations as part of a series of possible solutions? Also, does the Japanese government compensate couples with tax breaks or other incentives for procreating as some Western European nations have started to do to promote childbirths? In either case, as the world quickly moves beyond the 7 billion people mark, it would be interesting to ask our students to pose solutions on what can nations can do to deal with increasing populations and its burden on available resources, while on the other hand what can nations do to deal with aging populations.
For several years now, I have held a fascination with Bonsai trees, and now I’ll be able to explain to my guests how overcrowding give way to this wonderful tradition of miniature trees.And yes, how tradition driven we all are! I feel almost feel silly thinking about my own daily rituals.
January 14, 2012 at 9:26 am #20944Anonymous
GuestAll this growth in China very impressive. I was at a Chinese consulate function where a local County Supervisor, who had visited China, remarked on this subject of the rapid and extensive growth in China. "My neighbor can't even get an addition built in his backyard and look at how China can get things done..." I thought about WHY this difference is so. It's property rights. And that Supervisor should have known that. It is easy to build when you don't have to ask permission from the people who live there.
A dramatization of this brutal policy was portrayed in the Chinese film, THE SHOWER. And sad it was.
January 14, 2012 at 9:26 am #3573Rob_Hugo@PortNW
KeymasterHi all,
Please share your thoughts about the second session.
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