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    Rob_Hugo@PortNW
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    After reading jashworth's 4/25 post (found in the UTLA forum) in which he talks about South Korea's fears losing their culture/identity I started thinking how did American culture get such a bad rap? It seems that hating American culture is a favorite pastime for some societies (for sake of brevity I will refrain from providing specific examples).

    And I know that some are going to say it is because there is so much mediocrity and a lack of originality found among its products. I also am familiar with the view that there is too much sex and violence in our arts.

    And I am not blind to second viewpoint, American popular culture does have a certain fascination with sex and violence. It seems that one cannot turn on the TV, goes to the movies, read a book/magazine, listen to a song, that does not contain one of those themes. Basic Instinct 2, Silent Hill, The Sopranos (one of my favorite programs!), Deadwood, "I'm in Love with a Stripper, "P.I.M.P", etc. are just some examples that quickly come to my mind.

    However, if the above viewpoints are true, why is it then that there is such a demand for these things? Worldwide demand for American pop culture creates images like Chinese youths wearing NBA jerseys and Middle Eastern kids dancing to hip-hop.

    In other words, how bad can American culture for the rest of the world if everyone is choosing to buy/use what we have to offer?

    #21512
    Anonymous
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    It is an interesting phenomenon. One of the things that the Islamic fundamentalists fear most is our culture. (It scares me sometimes too)

    #21513
    Anonymous
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    It is true that there are some frightening aspects of our culture, but I still feel it is superior to many others. I would rather see some sex and violence on TV than have to watch the Chinese Government controlled version of American Idol. People all over the world come here to live in this supposed debased society. If my family hadn't decided to join this culture, I would have been born somewhere else.

    It seems like other societies have a love/hate relationship with us. They hate our freedom, but they love the creative products our freedom. American innovation has been a phenomenon for generations. True, we can be crude, but the very fact we can be crude speaks volumes.

    I'll choose Britney over tyranny any day.

    #21514
    Anonymous
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    I think this conversation has a lot to do with why we are being offered this program. Western culture has been the dominant cuture for century's but it seems that our culture has come to an impass or is on the decline as some would say. A big part of what inpsired western culture to grow was the idealism of Christianity and expecially the Protestant view that we are endowed with ownership of the earth and that by spreading the gospel we will advance the coming of the Kingdom. There may still be some good missionaries that are continuing this work but Christian idealism is no longer the central theme of western culture. Today it seems that materialism and individualism is the guiding ideology of western culture. So where do we look to find an alternative to our current cultural trend? It seems to be coming from the East. Asian culture is growing and we are finding out that the roots of that culture seem less materialistic and instead rooted in the spiritual ideals of Confucianism, Buddhism and Taoism. While the East seems to be moving toward Western materialism, many in the West are drawn toward the East and the spiritual aspect that seems to be a something we are lacking. I think our students are also curious about things Oriental because of the mystical and spiritual connection. Things like Anime,the Tao symbol and the use of chinese characters on tattos are all signs that young people have some facination with the East these days. It's good that we can learn more about Eastern culture and bring this into the classroom so as to broaden our perspective beyond western cultural dominance.

    #21515
    Anonymous
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    I agree with your observations in that we have a culture that is much more tolerant and open to new ideas than many other societies. And I think it is because of this that we are seen as a threat by other more closed societies.

    Their governments may talk about how we are invading their countries with our “decadent” values but unlike those authoritarian entities nobody is forcing the people to do something they don’t want. In other words, the people in their countries are choosing and demanding to watch our products.

    It is a symptom of the overall repression that these governments practice that makes them take this stand against outside ideas/creative expressions. And the fact that technology is now becoming a tool for the dissemination of other cultural products is requiring these types of governments to take an even harder stance. I think the point you made regarding the freedom to make products that are seen as crude does speak to how our society allows a free exchange of ideas.

    [Edit by="wrodriguez on May 17, 8:17:50 PM"]This is in respone to nmacanish's post[/Edit]

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    Anonymous
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    In response to jashworth's post:

    You brought up some interesting historical observations but the overall point I was attempting to make is that what we see coming from other countries is not so much a backlash against the average person is as much it being the official position taken by a handful of autocratic policy makers. The result we see are declarations against our cultural/creative expressions and censorship by their governments.

    It would be one thing to have our values/ideology being rejected by the people in those countries but they are often not even being given the chance to judge our cultural products. However, when they see what we have they want more!

    In other words, if our values are so askew to what they hold has being fundamentally true then one would think that they would be turning their cd players/tvs/computers to something less offensive.

    And the fact that people in the US and other western countries are seeking spiritual answers in eastern thought shows everyone around the world that we are more tolerant to accepting differing ideology. I cannot imagine that certain governments in the middle east would allow their people to walk into bookstores to pick up a copy of religious text that differed from their strict interpretation of the Koran.

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    Anonymous
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    One thing that really bother me about American culture is our desire to live exceedingly wealthy lives, at the expense of citizens around the world, including Asia. We live in such a capitalistic and materialistic society, where we care more about the cost of goods being cheap than livelihood of others in East Asia. While we are all well aware of the child labor, and other degrading conditions that workers in East Asia deal with so that we can have inexpensive and affordable clothing, we do little as a nation to stop it. I realize many woudl argue well this is the only work they get, but that is no excuse for a CEO to pay himself in the millions and billion and a surviving wage to his workers. How is that a “civilized nation” such as United Stated, we can put more value on our image than the well being of other human beings. Why do we allow our government to support this kind of treatment.

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    Anonymous
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    What's wrong with American culture?!? That's funny, because my friends and I were discussing about the media and American culture and how violence, sex, candy, whatever insubsequential and why we are so into them. I am more skeptical. At crucial times when America is involved with unethical activities, diversions are necessary. Why not promote care-free bubble gum pop, violent games, far-fetched ridiculous reality T.V. show featuring has-been child stars, the jailing of hotel heiresses, etc, just so the world would focus on something juicy instead of something horrific--like the genocides occuring all over the world, like the wars overseas and internally on U.S. soldiers between the few dominant ruling class against the majority 'minority' group? It's the American institution who is choosing to keep the country ignorant of world politics and views. If the mass begin to realize what's really going on, then too many questions would be raised, that that would be an inconvience to the people in control.

    #21519
    Anonymous
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    What is wrong with American Culture?

    Are you kidding me? Is this a question we can honestly answer without running out of space?
    I don't mean to sound so critical, but a lot is wrong with our culture! For one, we are very self-involved. So self-involved as a matter of fact--in material things, especially--that the majority of the American population doesn't know what is going on in our local, federal, and national governments. We don't know about places outside the USA, and we don't bother to learn about people who are different from us. I mean, how many people do you think actually know about our neighbors to the North and South? And if you ask people about Canada and/or Mexico the comments that are made are usually negative and derogatory!

    If you go anywhere else in the world and ask people about politics in their home land and in America, it is very likely that they will know more about our country's state of affairs than we do.

    And what about our star-struck culture! Focusing on Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan's drama rather than covering the war in Iraq, Katrina's unsolved disaster, immigration issues, and so forth. Ray Bradbury had it all figured out in his infamous Fahrenheit 451
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    "If you don't want a man unhappy politically, don't give him two sides to a question to worry him; give him one. Better yet, give him none. Let him forget there is such a thing as war. If the government is inefficient, topheavy, and tax-mad, better it be all those than that people worry over it...Cram them full of noncombustible data, chock them so damned full of 'facts' they feel stuffed, but absolutely 'brilliant' with information. Then they'll feel they're thinking...And they'll be happy..." (61).

    This is a brief and scary glimpse of what America has become! And forget the things like vulgar songs, violence, and sex in the media, fashion, entertainment, what about our values? What type of message are we sending to the world? Is it a surprise that so many nations dislike us?

    And although it may SEEM like the world is emulating American culture, in reality we are being criticized and laughed at more than anything.

    I do understand no society is perfect. And yes, I enjoy living in America and the privileges it offers its citizens, but do you really think the world looks up to us and that nothing is wrong with American culture?[Edit by="rflores on Jul 28, 10:50:01 PM"][/Edit]

    #21520
    Anonymous
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    You know I do have a lot of issues with American culture, more so than politics, but actually when you really think about we are not so bad. I posted a blog on my annoyance with amcerican materialism, which is more than annoyance.. a disgust. But today I was speaking to my students about World War II and different types of governements, and in many ways we are a great country. leaving poilitics out, culturally we do have a lot of positives. My family comes from another country, I love the family values out there, the lifestyle out there is much better in that its about enjoying life and what you have, not a competition with the JOnes', but in many ways we have a lot to be appreciative of. When you go to another country made up of one culture they are usually MUCH more judegmental to anything that is not within the norm. You forget how nice it is to be able to listen to what you want wear what you want, and most people wont even notice. And while we have and will alwyas have problesm with racisim and homophobias, in many countries aorund the world it is worse. You cant even dress too different lest you be called "strange" We are more accepting of people who come from differnt races and religions than many other countries. Being an american usually means seeing more than one perception since you are surrounded by people all over the world, and usually less stubborn. However now that I say that it could just be cities like LA, or states liek Californai, I dont think some of the southern states are as open to things as Id liek to wish they are. I do remember a converstaion witha friend from Ohio who said "You cali people are too open-minded"
    --Isnt that a good thing?

    #21521
    Anonymous
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    I also noticed that many Europeans and Canadians have this assumption that Americans are just total idiots. Being a European American, I too have an easy time finding fault with America. My freinds and I like to talk about how much greater other countreis are than America. Well one year when I was in Europe I found myself defending America. Sure many americans do not know as much about other countreis as the citizens in other countries know about America, but when you come from a smaller country you need to understand the more powerful countries, its just that way it is. I remember running into a Canadian who went around an American bar asking americans if they knew who the Prime Minister of Canada was. He used this as a method to show how poltically ignorant Americans are. But I can assure you he didnt know the leaders of countries liek LIbya, or Khazakstan. Although I do think Americans shoudl definitely pay attention to world poilitics rather than American Idol. I aslo unfortunately learned taht many Europeans have seen our Jerry Springer show and think many Americans are just like that . : (

    #21522
    Anonymous
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    What is culture? American culture? or do you mean American way of living? There is no American culture if we look at and apply the terms in the definition of culture. The so-called American culture appeals to basic, rude and crude instincts of physical prowess, brute physical force without any consideration or desibility for intellectual or moral or aesthetic powers. Go ... and look into it... and tell me if this is not correct. Other societies may and do accept extreme American cultural representations (movies, dress codes, etc.) beca=ause we arell humans and we are all affected by the lowest instinctual desires... especially in emerging nations. However, why is it, besides industry controls and bias, that in American movie houses we rarely see European/South American/Japanese produced movies which focus not on violence, sex and drugs (as do Hollywood movies) but relate stories of human expereinces whether based on the psychology of the human mind, on interrelationships with people, nature, the environment, social issues and moral and religious aspects of society?!? The so-calles American culture is nothing but an aberration of human endeavor which has been dragging humanity to the ground and if we continue at this pace our planet and our societies will not last much longer...!!!

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