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    In this weeks class discussion we talked about government, revolution and economics. In terms of government we have seen a theme in China where you are either considered with the party or against the party, there is no in between. What I find most interesting about this view is how it translates to party member perspective on political situations and their reactions/ consequences. For example, Dr. Clayton gave us an example of an individual who jumped into a pool of human waste to save another mans life. One view was that this individual was a hero and did the right thing even though it cost him his life. The other view was that he not only put his life at risk, but that he wasted government money that was invested in his future by jumping into this pool and ultimately drowning. I find their justification for their actions very interesting.

    Another example was when the party decided to take action against the gang of four. They were fine with incriminating the gang of four for their actions, but would never condemn Mao since it was stated by his successor that everything Mao did and said was "right." Their view reminds of parents that don't want to lose power and control over their children so they come up with extreme consequences for small misdemeanors.There was a time when my parents would got mad at my older sister for picking on me. My sister justified her actions by saying that she was only doing what she saw dad do to mom. Rather than explain their frustration, my parents dramatically put her on a time out ( aka house arrest in China) and told us both that we need to "Do as we say, not as we do."

    #27106
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    I certainly did enjoy the last session where we "wrapped things up" about our discussions on China. I would like to do some research on the more modern problems in China that we talked about - environment, demographics, technology, China's place in the world. After hosting the Olympics, I would have thought China would have been a little more open, but maybe there was too much democracy in China and they want to remain by themselves, still having Google censor internet searches. What an interesting nation.

    #27107
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    An interesting quote from the discussion was about the "Great Leap Forward" that was used under Mao. This quote reminds Chinese of an era of history that actually brought the country back instead of forward. The "Great Leap Forward" quote was used out of context as a marketing tool in California. This reminds us of the importance of understanding history and culture so we do not make those type of mistakes.

    #27108
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    In our final class discussion, we talked about inflation and the people of China having to use a part of their paycheck to purchase government bonds. I wonder what the people's perspective on this matter was. Did they expect to ever have their money returned? Did the people ever express resentment towards this or was it simply second nature?

    #27109
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    Another question I had from this session was a about house arrest. Often times leaders that were charged with a crime were put on house arrest for several years rather than serving time in jail. In fact, most of the individual that we learned about in class were put on house arrest until they died. Is this practice still common? What are some of the rules for house arrest? It seems very different from American house arrest.

    #27110
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    • I was looking through the notes I took on our last day of class, looking for facts that I could use in my Geography class that would help my students understand the effect of protest and revolution. More specifically, how an issue in one country can have a direct or indirect effect on the political status of another country. The two countries that were a perfect example for this were the former Soviet Union and China. When looking through my notes I came across the information that we covered on the student protests in Tiananmen Square. It was these protests in China, that in part, led to the fall of the Berlin Wall and ultimately the fall of Communism in the U.S.S.R. in the early 1990's. I like the idea of making this comparison because a lot of my students see distance as a form of protection. They often think that since something is happening is a country that it is too far away for it to happen in their country. I want them to understand history and always be sympathetic to others' situations. I want them to also learn the power that humans have to make change, because one day it can be your neighbor in trouble and the next day it can be you. It is important for us all to never forget the past.
    #27111
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    From what I understood, the house arrest was only given to politicians and high profile Chinese. I did not hear about the common people receiving house arrest punishments or sentences.

    #27112
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    The last and final session was just as informative and stimulating as all the other meetings in these serious of workshops. I found myself in groused not just in the historical facts but in Dr. Dude's personal experiences, that make the lecture come alive. I also remember watching the events of Tieneman Square in June of 1989, from the comfort of my living room, and thinking "wow" Tank Man is a very brave soul, and he better hide before the Chinese government finds out who he is. As was mentioned in class, his identity was never relieved but, his actions had an impact around the globe. I always use the images of "Tank Man" to remind my students that one person can make a difference.

    #27113
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    In the final class session, I enjoyed learning about the modernization of China and Deng Xioaping formally initiated (1) Economic Reform and (2) “Opening up” (i.e. inviting foreigners in and sending students abroad to gain knowledge in order to come back and help China. It was interesting to see that even though China and its leaders were seemingly moving towards entertaining, and even tolerating discussions of democracy, there were still several forms of minor resistance (which were later addressed and “fixed”). We learned that long hair was not allowed in government buildings and also that “bellbottoms” were criticized as praise for the West, but when they were featured in a play, it was okay to wear them. Finally, we learned about the two economic issues that plagued China in 1988-1989 being corruption and inflation. There was a triangle debt that was forming from an economy that was expanding too rapidly. People were upset and aware that others (namely, the Party) were getting rich while they remained in this debt, and that there was known corruption within Party officials.
    edited by cbacon on 6/27/2011

    #27114
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    I agree with Annet's comments about another big topic we talked about during the last class, which was Tainanmen Square. In our textbooks, the focal point of this topic centers on the incidents that occurred between April and June of 1989, and is usually only given one paragraph. I enjoyed learning so much more about the backstory of this famous event, especially the demonstrations that occurred 3 years earlier in the Winter of 1986. I enjoyed hearing stories like that during this incident, the Party had the schools contact the students’ parents, the organizers were jailed, and that there was essentially no violence. Professor Dube then went on to tell the story of the June 4th incident in greater detail and certainly in a way in which I would like to mirror when discussing this incident with my students. I was intrigued by the his point that this was all happening on TV and how much of a big deal/embarrassment it was because Gorbachev was due to arrive in Beijing at the same time. We also learned of the presumed idea that students of good will were manipulated by “Black Counterrevolutionary Hands”. It’s little side-stories like these that I love to sprinkle in the lecture that keeps my students engaged. Finally, I like the emphasis placed on the idea that Tainanmen Square had such an impact on revolutionaries of the time, specifically the events that occurred later on the year (fall of the Berlin Wall, protests in Romania, etc). It just may have been one of the most significant contributions to the fall of Communism all over Europe and the collapse of the Soviet Union. It is definitely imperative that students identify that as one of the many connections between two seemingly different and separate entities such as China and the Soviet Union.
    edited by cbacon on 6/27/2011

    #27115
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    another topic that you could include in that conversation is that the fall of the wall in Berlin and the collaspe of the Soviet Union were peaceful, unlike some of the protests in the Middle East today. Why the difference? Leadership? the social networking? people just will to risk it all? economics?

    #27116
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    Party membership is not all that we in the west tend to think. Many people in China are not official members of the Communist party. Many young people are not interested in joining the party. There was a recent article in the LA Times about the second film in there series about the Communist party. http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-communist-movie-20110624,0,2466369.story

    People are "encouraged" to go see it. The young people interviewed said they would see it, but that it doesn't really make them want to join the party. The young people I talked while I was in China were not members of the party. In fact, my host said that most young people are not members, and that it doesn't really matter if you're not interested in politics.

    This is definitely a shift in attitude. How will this affect the future of China's government remains to be seen.

    #27117
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    Ai Weiwei and Hu Jia were recently released from prison by the Chinese government. It seems that pressure or international embarrassement may have played a role in their release. However, does this really mean that they are free to go about their business as usual or were there conditions? Ai Weiwei is a controversial artist and Hu Jia is a loud critic of the government. Will they be under house arrest or monitored? Hu Jia's wife was reluctant to say what will happen now that her husband is released beyond wanting to spend some time together.
    China continues to struggle with a balance between party control and freedom of the people. Obviously, the party control is still the rule of the day, but will we see huge government crackdowns or more and more relax attitudes toward civil liberties? It will be interesting to see how China evolves in the next ten years.

    #27118
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    One of things Prof. Dube talked about in the last class was the upcoming 90th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party, which occurred yesterday. This received some coverage in the American media, including the following two articles from the LA Times and NY Times, both of which address the mixed feelings the Chinese have about the party. The NY Times article, however, focuses more on the occasional nostalgia for the revolutionary past, especially for those whose childhood memories are evoked by the "red songs" of the past. I found that an interesting reminder of the ways in which the political is often also the personal (to turn the old feminist slogan on its head!).

    NY Times article:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/30/world/asia/30redsong.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=revolutionary%20classics%20of%20china&st=cse
    LA Times article:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-china-party-20110702,0,1814407.story?page=1&utm_medium=feed&track=rss&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20latimes%2Fmostviewed%20%28L.A.%20Times%20-%20Most%20Viewed%20Stories%29&utm_source=feedburner

    #27119
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    The most impactful event that stands out to me about session 10 is the break-up of student demonstrations for freedom of speech passport and against inflation and corruption. China's leaders spoke of democracy but did not practice it. These students were not allowed to stand/speak up for what they felt was right. Force was used against them because the government feared an uproar. This was important to me because I discuss the Civil Right Movement and Chicano Students Walkouts with my students in order to share with them the value of standing up for what is right. I definitely want to look into this further so that I can include it in our discussions.

    I was also surprised to learn that China's water supply makes up 1/4 of the world's average but only 40% of it is suitable for drinking! That shocked me because China has such a large population and I can't fathom having enough water to drink. What are they doing to remedy this? Can they???

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