thoughts about session 8 (China w/Dr. Clayton)
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May 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm #27196
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GuestIn the past two years that I have taught Geography, I have focused on China as the case study for our East Asia unit. During this unit, my students and I discussed the Great Leap Forward, including the motivations for it and its short term and long term effects. My students are always interested in understanding how this event contributed to the large population that exists in China today and why, despite the famine and drought that took away the lives of millions, that the population is still high today?
What I enjoyed most about tonight's lecture was hearing Professor Dube discuss the psychological motivation and effects behind Mao's /The Communist Party's ruling of China. For example, public humiliation of the landlords during the land reforms in order to get buy-in from the masses, the ability of the communes to get people to sacrifice their food for the better good of the state, China sending "volunteers" to help North Korea in the Korean War and the Marriage Law which caused many women who were now able to divorce to die. It has been a while since I have been around other historians in a classroom setting discussing this topic, and I found it really nice to review this material from a teacher and a students perspective.
May 11, 2011 at 3:04 am #27197Anonymous
GuestDuring yesterday's seminar, I really appreciated hearing Clay's perspective on the Korean War as it applied to the People's Republic of China. Though Mao and Stalin did not like each other, I find it ironic that Mao's motivation for China to defend North Korea was similar to Stalin's motivation for the USSR to occupy Eastern Europe: a self-defense buffer zone. Regarding different perspectives, I also appreciated how the textbook emphasized that China and North Korea during the Korean War was fighting South Korea and THE UNITED NATIONS. Many educators, including myself(and even Clay yesterday) put emphasis on South Korea fighting alongside the United States during the Korean War, yet this shows NO GUILT on the part of educators like Clay and myself...the US, after all, contributed to over 90% of the UN forces in the Korean War.
When I teach about the Korean War in my history classes and Model UN activites, I will definitely place an emphasis on the role of the UN, in that conflict. Regarding America's role as a Super Power, I still make note that the US provided most troops during the Korean conflict and as well as during another UN police action, Operation Desert Storm/Gulf War I. While students need to know how America's role as a Super Power had shown during the Korean and Gulf conflicts, students, as well as the world in general, will have to see if another country on the UN Security Council will demonstrate its role as an upcoming, if not current, Super Power. That other country on the Security Council, of course, is China, and a test to China's Super Power role would involve potential UN actions over nuclear-armed Pakistan and North Korea which border China.May 12, 2011 at 7:14 am #27198Anonymous
GuestI always wondered how a single person could dominate people to the extent that Mao, among other Fascists, did. After Tuesday's lesson, however, it became clearer to me that the only reason why he was able to impose his very radical views and stay in power for so long was precisely because of the people's strong sense of patriotism. This is probably what sets the people of China apart from other peoples to this day - they are extremely devoted to their nation's progress and survival, which is the only logical explanation I find to why people were willing to accept food rationing solely to make their province look good. Also, what I found fascinating was the fact that although the government tried to infiltrate into family affairs through the "marriage laws," people managed to repel this by strongly opposing it. Not necessarily because they were denying women their rights, but rather because their instinct to preserve their race and/or right to mate, was probably the only thing the government could not suppress. This fits perfectly with my current lesson on behavioral conditioning in 1984 by George Orwell.
edited by mcshah on 5/12/2011May 12, 2011 at 7:37 am #27199Anonymous
GuestI was thinking about how to incorporate the article about how to tell the difference between friends and enemies into my classroom. Instead of just showing the kids the stereotypes drawn by Dr Seuss, now there is a reading to go along with it. I might also be able to link it up with an article from Nazi Germany about the similarities between the Jews and a rat. Could bring about an interesting class discussion about racism and in particular, racism in the U.S.
May 16, 2011 at 4:57 am #27200Anonymous
GuestIt is so fascinating that after our discussion on Mao and how he exterminated his opponents to remain in power, to this day the Chinese government is resorting to similar tactics. Last Saturday it was reported on ABC news that a renowned Chinese artist, (whose name I did not catch), “disappeared” along with a group of dissidents and that the Chinese government is heavily cracking down on the opposition to prevent the outbreaks of rebellion that are spreading to the rest of the world from the Middle East. The painter’s mother was interviewed and it just broke my heart to see her tears. What pains me the most, however, is the fact that despite our belief that humanity has made huge progress toward a more civilized and peaceful existence, we have not learned from our past mistakes and we continue to allow repressive governments to rule. Quite sickening, yet, at the same time, it's fascinating to see history unfold before our very eyes!!
P.S. If anyone saw the report and happens to know the name of the painter (whose work was displayed in a galleria of New York recently), I'd appreciate the information. TX
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edited by mcshah on 5/16/2011May 16, 2011 at 8:35 am #27201Anonymous
GuestI agree with Anet about how interesting it is for one person to be able to control so many minds. My students always seem interested in that and "brainwashing" always seems to come up. The more interesting we make history to our students with stories about the public humiliation of landlords or the women dying because of the marriage law the more interested they become. Of course, you always have to have more stories like those to keep their interest tomorrow! Unfortunately, the text I use does not have any stories like those, so it is important (and interesting to me ,too) that I gather as many of these facts as I can for my class.
May 17, 2011 at 2:10 am #27202Anonymous
GuestDearest "SASHTON" (Sorry, I don't call you by name, but I’m not sure what it is);
This is precisely what makes teaching such an awesome job - you never stop learning. In fact, what sets the best teachers apart from the mediocre ones is that they are students at heart – always willing to learn new things. As you mentioned, that’s why it is important that we absorb all the facts, not only for our own edification, but ultimately for our students. I’m glad to see that we feel the same way. I personally have learned so much from all the phenomenal lectures we’ve had that I feel like a walking bomb, saturated with juicy staff to share with others about the often-misunderstood cultures of Eastern Asia.May 19, 2011 at 3:18 am #27203Anonymous
GuestLearning about the motivation behind Mao and his policies will help provide insight for my classes next year when we discuss this topic. The information Prof. Dube provided about the reasoning and underlying causes helps flesh out and make real the subject matter. I agree with Annett about the inclusion of the landowner issues. Making a public example of people really helps with the “selling” of and buy-in to the communist ideas. It also makes it harder for people to stand up and dissent if they do not agree. The cult of personality that Mao was able to generate, even given the problems he was causing was impressive.
May 19, 2011 at 3:24 am #27204Anonymous
GuestI like Sally’s idea of comparing the Japanese/Chinese stereotypes with the Jewish propaganda of Hitler’s Germany. It all links back or continues a lesson I give the students about immigration to the U.S. during late 1800’s early 1900’s. We look at cartoons focusing on Irish and Chinese immigrants as well as some Native American characters. Seeing how society changes (or doesn’t change) can be enlightening for the students.
May 19, 2011 at 7:34 am #27205Anonymous
GuestYes, I too agree with Sally. In fact, as a Language Arts teacher I certainly capitalize on these visuals to teach the Persuasion unit to my students. It’s amazing how they can relate to the visuals and actually see the relevance with modern day society and realize that not much has changed.
May 19, 2011 at 8:05 am #27206Anonymous
GuestI agree with Ron about the "impressiveness" of the larger-than-life cult figure that Mao established for himself. Perhaps this "Big Brother" idea and its psychological impact was his most effective form of manipulation, at least that’s the case of the dystopia described in Orwell’s 1984. Teaching this masterpiece after Professor Dube’s explanation of Mao’s Communist China has been a breeze especially because of all the awesome information he’s provided me with, which has given me a richer repertoire of historical facts to share with students and put communism into a context they can easily grasp.
May 23, 2011 at 10:18 am #27207Anonymous
GuestOne topic of discussion I found fascinating from Session 8 was the PRC’s focus on marriage. In order for marriages to be considered legal, they needed government sanction. This was yet another assertion of state power over formerly familial realm. I wonder what how many people were truly happy about being able to choose their own mates and not have their parents decide for them. In any place where a custom like arranged marriage becomes tradition, there must be some difficulty transitioning over to a new, more “progressive” practice. Although the idea that one should marry for “love” and not family status comes more natural to us Westerners, perhaps we really should consider the benefits of such an arrangement (everything is set up , you can learn to love the person???, etc). This may me a little off topic, but it calls to mind a conversation I often have with relatives of an older generation about the number of CHOICES we have in higher education in America and the west. My aunt use to attribute the idea of many American college student still undecided on their majors (consequently taking more time in undergraduate school) to the fact that we simply have too many choices here. She used to say, “In the Philippines, when you were encouraged to go into nursing, you went into nursing and you finished.” *insert stereotypical Filipino nurses joke here* When I heard this as a teenager, I use to roll my eyes and think, “yes, I get it, you want me to go into nursing”. But when I have these discussions as an adult, I see a bit more about what she means. Sometimes, with too many choices, one gets overwhelmed, has a hard time choosing, and may even end up making the wrong decision. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the choices we have in higher education here in America, but I do see her point, as a handful of my friends have fallen victim to this very notion. Back to China…..I went off on this tangent because I was just curious to see how the Chinese responded to such an official change to their traditional customs/practices. Finally, I also wonder who called it the “Divorce Law”. Was it the government’s official name for it or was it just a nickname given by the people? If the former, it’s interesting how that might’ve been some foreshadowing of the effects of the law.
May 23, 2011 at 10:25 am #27208Anonymous
GuestOn the topic of land reform, we learned that the Communist party sent work teams from the cities to the villages to figure out who the articulate people were, identify the landlords that have misbehaved in order to make examples out of them, and organize public meetings where “performances” would be put on. The ideology was very craftily translated through this process – “We are poor because oppressors pull us down!” From Professor Dube’s stories and pictures, I wonder how much resistance, if any, did the landlords put up. I remember thinking to myself, “They didn’t just take this lying down, did they? Surely they had enough money/power/intimidation factor to coerce the peasants into not speaking out?”
May 23, 2011 at 10:37 am #27209Anonymous
GuestI agree with Sally and Ron about how we can use this article in the classroom, especially about Racism in the U.S. through the decades. I, too, discuss and show images about the steroetypes drawn by Dr. Suess, the comparisons made by the Nazis of Jews to rats, and treatment and perceptions of the Irish in the mid-late 19th century America. It can also be used in the discussion about terrorism and the racial profiling that occurred immediately after 9/11. Same demeaning ideas, all masked by fear, just recylced and repeated throughout history.
edited by cbacon on 5/23/2011May 23, 2011 at 2:25 pm #27210Anonymous
GuestPictures are worth a thousand words. I enjoy Dr. Dube's slides because the visuals speak for themselves. One image can create critical thinking, predictions, speculations, etc. Those images can be used in class to help students understand certain concepts from history and/or predict the future.
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