5/12 - Dube - East Asia Since 1900

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  • #4956
    Rob_Hugo@PortNW
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    Hi everyone,

    Please share your thoughts about our May 12 session, "East Asia Since 1900," by Clayton Dube, by replying to this post.

    -Miranda

    #28528
    Anonymous
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    One of the things I learned last night that I'd like to incorporate into my classes is global interconnectedness and world trade circa 1800, as evidenced by India/Britain/China. There are other examples that figure prominently in 7th grade history: Salt/Gold in West Africa; Silk Road; Columbian Exchange; mercantalism; and triangular trade to name a few. But here is a story with modern Asia. And also with America, via Turkey. And also with Mexican silver interestingly. Along with Perry's arrival in Japan, there is plenty here to tackle issues of cultural exchange, economics, stereotypes, nationalism, reform, and modernization.

    I thought the Six Portraits of Famous Koreans in our binder was lacking. High School students are supposed to read these vignettes and then dramatize them? In 2-3 days? Who are the students? Aspiring writers and actors? I don't know, I'm afraid what would result would only be the most superficial of products. And for university students? These readings are hardly worth the time of a university class. They read more like what high school students would write themselves. In other words, your asking students to dramatize something that is not academically rigorous to begin with. And oddly, the readings are wholly one-sided accounts of these people's lives, without any challenge or perspective, except when it comes to Kim Il-Sung, whose statements of fact are questioned by the teacher.

    As Clay mentioned last night, the dropping of the atomic bombs has allowed Japan to portray itself as a victim of the war. It continues to allow Japanese schools to avoid teaching of the war's origins and course and instead focus on suffering and defeat. There is a much more balanced approach in the United States, where conflicting perspectives clash. Most students here are exposed to the the effects of Versailles, nationalism, depression, fascism, militarization, imperialism, isolationism, appeasement, power-politics, and even an occasional conspracy theory. In Japanese schools, it's almost if the war occured in a vacuum and then the bombs were dropped.

    #28529
    Anonymous
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    The last two meetings were taught at breakneck speed so there was not a lot
    of time to discuss details of Korea after the Korean war. Although I think that
    Jennifer Jung-Kim from UCLA touched upon some important points, it was obvious that
    she had more information to share about modern day Korea.

    Nevertheless, Dube's, Pietka, and Jung-Kim's lecture clearly
    explained Korea's rapid modernization.

    With a focus on land reform programs to empower the poor,
    maufacturing, a competitive spirit, and $800,000 worth of US grants and loans, Korea's
    technology surpasses that of the US (e.g., state of the art washer/dryer combo,
    light speed wifi, and credit card/cell phones combos).

    In addition, these factors coupled with their strong, collective nationalistic ideology,
    is a testament to how rapidly former agrarian nations can become technological
    giants. It is a lesson that other less developed countries can learn from - albeit without
    the dictatorships.

    #28530
    Anonymous
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    I wish we had more time. The discussion, although immensely awesome, was too short to cover all the material. I imagine that Prof. Dube decided to focus on China since that is his area of expertise and an increasingly important area in global studies. What struck about the lecture aside from the insane amount of material that we tried to cover in three hours was Prof. Dube's teaching style. After sitting through a number of straight up lectures where there was no interaction between us and the presenter, I was glad to be asked questions that were relevant and not too obscure. I enjoyed the class and learned more about China in the last two centuries than I had previously known and will seek to use the materials in my class. I also would like to compliment his use of PowerPoint, which was superb. Too often, presenters will use PowerPoint as a glorified set of notes which they simply read. PowerPoint is a tool intended to help the audience connect with what the presenter wishes to share and should have little to no text, as exemplified by Prof. Dube's presentation.

    #28531
    Anonymous
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    Another presentation that went by way too fast. Clay is a great faciliator of discussions and thought provoking questions. Pushing us and hopefully our students to challenge what we really think about these issues and how that thinking will play out. We often are not challenged to really think about issues and the ramifications that will follow based on our choices. I look forward to trying to come up with further discussion questions that I can challenge my students with.

    #28532
    Anonymous
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    I enjoyed Clayton Dube's presentation, and commend his ability to leap-frog through the history of 19th century East Asia in under three hours! It was a bit like stage productions where a theater group presents the complete works of William Shakespeare in 2 hours! I especially appreciated the pictures and powerpoint materials. It is beneficial to read about something, but very effective to see what is being discussed. Drs. Pitelka and Jung-Kim both addressed Japan and Korea in the 20th century, although very quickly, so I was okay Tuesday's lecture centering on China. Lots of information to digest and ponder.

    #28533
    Anonymous
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    Almost forgot to mention this: The Simpsons has several episodes throughout the last 20 seasons with references to East Asia. The first that somes to mind is the episode where Bart is going to be punished in Australia for his pranks where instead of being "caned" like the American a few years back in Singapore or Thailand, he is "booted" with an abnormally large boot. Next, Marge's sister, Patty, adopts a infant girl from China, and lastly, the episode where Homer and clan travel to modern Japan to confront a Japanese company for using Homer's face to market their products in Japan as "Mr. Sparkle". The Simpsons may not work for everyone, but they are easily available on DVD or on HULU and other sites. There are several archives sites on-line which can search episodes for specific references or content. I use clips in my classroom when I can find them; they are great for introducing a topic or at the end of a unit of study.[Edit by="jkasuyama on May 14, 4:02:39 PM"][/Edit]

    #28534
    Anonymous
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    Well...our last lecture. We made it! The sad part was trying to squeeze so much information in such a small period of time. Mr. Dube did a wonderful job tying up loose ends, but again too much info, not enough time. I guess it is now up to us to continue. I will take my new found knowledge and try to build on it. Thank you for the opportunity.

    #28535
    Anonymous
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    I would also agree w/the above classmates; This is where things get very interesting (to me)...I was talking to Clay in regards to the immunity that the allows diplomats to not follow the local laws; In Iraq, there is continually a struggle for jurisdiction on U.S. citizens, soldiers, and contractors. Blackwater comes to mind...

    #28536
    Anonymous
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    hmmm...in regards to the dropping of the atomic bombs, when I was student teaching with Mr. David Jauregui at Alhambra High School; he's got a good lesson on whether the atomic bomb(s) should have been dropped. He discusses the General LeMay and his decision to firebomb tokyo...the mass casualties and carnage that it entailed. I recall some sources that were presented quoting LeMay discussing the possible war crimes our military had done.

    Mr. J also shows Grave of the Fireflies, an anime that is interesting to the students as well. Students would get in a socratic seminar and decide the basis of the decision...

    #28537
    Anonymous
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    A classmate above started talking about the role land reform may have played in East Asia's rapid industrialization, and Professor Dube also argued that land reform in East Asia may help explain its rapid economic growth because land reform made it clear that changes were coming and because it economically empowered the poor.
    I think this topic is very interesting because there are so many countries around the world that would love to experience the economic success of East Asian countries. I think land reform was probably a huge part of this success, but I wonder what other factors can account for this success? Someone mentioned US grant money, but the US and others have financially supported many countries in the past.
    I just think this is a fascinating topic because as our classmate says, the success of South Korea "is a lesson that other less developed countries can learn from..." But besides land reform, what else can less developed countries take from this example? If their success is somewhat attributable to their ingrained Confucian value system or culture, to what extent should other nations work to adopt or adapt these values?
    -Karen

    #28538
    Anonymous
    Guest

    "Mr. Sparkle" is an old episode. It is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. I haven't thought about it in a long time. I think I have it on tape somewher. I'm going to try and find it just for the commercial in the episode.

    GG

    #28539
    Anonymous
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    I've been reading some of the other comments before posting my own. Maybe there was too much material to cover in the time allowed for some of the classes but I think the program in general was very well run. The word "profesional" has kind of lost its meaning for me after ten years in LAUSD. Thanks for showing me its intended use. This course was wonderful. I can't think of any opportunity I've ever had that was like it. Having a different expert lecturer from prestigious institutions every week for one course is a unique opportunity. I will never be able to get the diversity of professioanal week after week just by showing up to a class again. Even if I were to enroll in a graduate program. I have never been that interested in the hostory of Asia or the Far East although I feel like I do it due dilligence in my classroom when teaching sixth or seventh grade history. If your goal was to make teachers more aware of it so that they would feel more comfortable teaching it in the classroom you have certainly succeeded we me. I am a fan and am truly appreciative of being introduced to such a large and important part of our world history and culture. I see Asia through a new and clearer lens than before and have more understanding of its vital role in global history; past, present, and future.

    GG

    #28540
    Anonymous
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    Too short! Loved the lecture-
    One thing I would like to discuss with my kids, from this lecture, is the use of drug trade to stimulate/drain an economy as well as degenerate a community. I dont address this time period with my students but drugs and colonization go hand in hand so I would tie it that in to the age of exploration. The methods Chinese officials used to stop the use of opium are strikingly similar to the alcohol prohibition of 1920 and now the prohibition of marijuana and other drugs- The Collective Responsibility Teams reminded me of today's gang injunctions.

    Also enjoyed the discussion on Communist and Kuomintang efforts to control China- very gory... but was captivated by the debate between democracy and science. Very similar to the Catholic Church and the debate between faith and science. hmmmm...

    #28541
    Anonymous
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    One of my favorite activities for 7th grade students is analyzing current events in the areas they are studying in ancient times. For example I would ask them to read about last week's anniversary celebration of the Tienanmen Square protest. This gathering was so very closely guarded that foreign news media was not permitted any access. This is reminiscent of Qin's attitude toward any dissension even though China's government is called a republic just as ours is. I would pose a question about why regimes in China are always so afraid of protest? Then it would be interesting to let the students tackle this question; is the government of their country afraid of protest? If there was enough polarization in the class, this would provide meat for a debate.

    There were so many interesting points, observations, and revelations in this class that I wasn't able to take notes they came so thick and fast. One of them I found worth further exploration was the land reforms in each of the countries after WWII, and the economic explosion that resulted from this. I hope to find time to do lots more reading on this topic. A question I will pay more attention to in my teaching of history is what happens in a culture when there are land reforms.

    I want to say thank you to Miranda and Professor Dube for arranging this opportunity for us. It will have a considerable ripple effect in my teaching because there were so many inspiring teachers and techniques presented.

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