Clay's final thought
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June 6, 2007 at 2:37 am #5463
Rob_Hugo@PortNW
KeymasterI was very intrigued by the last slide Clay put up on the amount of work men and women do in America verses Korea and Japan. It was actually pretty shocking. The Japanese ratio was outrageous, but all the numbers needed another statistic. I'd like to know how many women are stay at home wives and mothers in these countries, especially in Japan. If that number is high, then the ratio of housework makes sense. Hell, if I could stay at home all day and not go to work, I'd clean that house from top to bottom!
June 6, 2007 at 7:58 am #32777Anonymous
GuestI think that it's necessary to examine the different understandings of gender roles within a culture before making seemingly obvious comparisons. For example, what is regarded as "helping" with housework in Japan and Korea - and the US, come to that?
If I dig the yard or wash my wife's car, is that "helping", or is it doing "man's" work and so not to be counted as sharing the load with my wife in her duties (again, within any cultural framework, what are the duties and responsibilities within the household - not just in terms of gender, but also generation?). Statistics are usually rather more slippery than a simple set of figures might suggest (for example, which socio-economic groups were interviewed to provide the raw data?).
Clay's point was well-taken, and illustrates a real distinction within the three societies regarding women's rights and men's domestic responsibilities, but I'm not sure what else we can project from that.
Just a thought
Ray
June 12, 2007 at 9:29 am #32778Anonymous
GuestAn interesting thought, what do they consider housework?
As we all know, everyone has their own concept of housework, it is all relevant.
Wondering why is it in Korea men contribute more to the housework... Honestly from my knowledge of Asia men, rarely does one find them contributing to housework, unless the wife has trained him to be domestic...From my understanding that is a problem in their relationships.
I remember a few years ago, men in Japan were having difficulty finding Japanese women to marry, as the women were more career oriented and no longer interested in marriage. If they were interested in marriage, it would be more likely a marry a westerner; as for Japanese women, they believe men from the west are more committed to the wife and marriage, romance, and spend time with the family; whereas Japanese men were committed to their careers, therefore much of their time outside of work was to socialize and build relationships with other businesses; having extra marital affairs as well, as the wife's primary duty was to take care of the family and home.June 15, 2007 at 12:16 pm #32779Anonymous
GuestI think it would be very interesting to find out how much of the house work the children in a family are responsible for. When I was a kid, I had certain duties and responsibilities. We call them chores. It would not only be interesting to find out how this compares in Japan and other Asian countries, but to compare this to the United States and Europe and maybe other countries as well, even compared to other time periods . I have had many students tell me that they never clean and do house work or chores at home. Is this true? Hey! maybe this can even be compared to test scores.
July 3, 2007 at 8:46 am #32780Anonymous
GuestI grew up with my Jewish mother doing practically everything for me. This created an attitude where I felt that the world owed me something.
The truth is that no matter what country we live in, we have to each do our part to contribute to our community, our culture, and the world. If everyone had this perspective we could have a much more dynamic interchange with other countries and cultures. We would all be contributing our best skills. I think that a book needs to written that takes the best part of each cultural tradition and compiles it into a new blend of really cool ways of being, acting, and doing and in that way we would be able to help each other more easily and effortlesssly on a local and international level.
We have things to learn from China and China has things to learn from us. As long as we stay open and willing and caring enough there are infinite possibilities for growth.
July 9, 2007 at 5:24 pm #32781Anonymous
GuestThe statistics on male and female work ratios around the home were quite interesting. In my mind, I had assumed men in Japan and America would share in the housework at similar levels, followed by the Korean men, and finally I thought naively thought that Chinese husbands would be less helpful. At times I am a bit too hasty to predict and then genrealize. It seems my hypothesis put to much stock in Confucist protocal and elevated the role of the Chinese male a bit--a thousand pardons for judging the book by its cover.
What I did find truly shcoking was the lack of help provided by Japanese men. Now I am notan everyday wacther of Asian television, but I would be hard pressed to think of any Japanese novela, show, or movie where the female charachers complain bitterly abouth their less than helpful husbands. I could only imagine the Japaense version of Married with Children.[Edit by="chellmold on Jul 10, 12:24:29 AM"][/Edit]
July 10, 2007 at 11:52 pm #32782Anonymous
GuestI was not surprised by the percentage of housework help men contributed in Korea. I read several articles where the rise of educated and working class women and the rise in their independence was the topic of discussion. I think that modernity has to do with it and that current trends have started this slight swing of power away from the male population. In Japan, it still seem as if men are still the dominant workers in the economy (higher positions)
--so maybe that's why the level of housework is different between Korea and Japan...July 30, 2007 at 1:35 pm #32783Anonymous
GuestI was not suprised either with the amount of housework Korean men do. One thing that I noticed among the different asian cultures taht I have interacted with is that Korean women do not fall into that "asian submissive" stereotype whatsoever. This may be a generalization, but my Korean friends are quite the opposite of submissive. They are very outspoken, independant, and risk takers. I'm wondering where the line is drawn culturally between Asain cultures, becasue I have noticed that Japanese women, while they carry a quiet strength, dont seem to be as outspoken as Korean women. I love to see differences in Asain cultures, because many people liek to group them together, but these little differences is what makes each culture its own.
July 31, 2007 at 6:17 pm #32784Anonymous
GuestIt is definitely interesting to discuss gender roles in the household and as teachers, I realized that gender roles are definitely not only confined in the household. By the time out students reach our classroom, they bring with them the gender roles or gender stereotypes that have already been engendered into them either through their family or societal influences. As a teacher, we have the wonderful opportunity to widen our student's notions of gender norms. When choosing monitors or volunteers to help out in the classroom, I am always cautious not to assign roles according to gender stereotypes. For example, I am mindful not to always ask a female student to help clean the classroom or never to only ask boys to help carry things. Perhaps, giving all students opportunities to participate in all classroom activities including classroom housekeeping might extend these new gender norms to their homes as well.
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