12/14/09 - Session 5 - Dube - China: 1976 to present
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January 18, 2010 at 4:29 am #5282
Rob_Hugo@PortNW
KeymasterHi everyone,
Please reply to this message and share your thoughts about our December 14 session by Clayton Dube on China from 1976 to the present.
-Miranda
January 19, 2010 at 12:58 am #31379Anonymous
GuestHaving focussed on the Soviet Union during my study of International Relations at UCLA, it was interesting to me hear the Chinese side of the Soviet-Chinese relationship. The Soviets promised a lot, but did not deleiver. Due to the fear of communism, it took the US a long time to figure out China's discontent regarding its relationship with the Soviet Union.
Communism was implemented so differently in each communist country. Many people do not understand that.
One of the most helpful things from this session was the source http://www.icue.com that Clayton shared with us. I look forward to looking up media clips on this site to use in my classroom.
January 20, 2010 at 3:37 am #31380Anonymous
GuestI agree with you that it seems that we often get a one-sided view of Communism. We get Chinese communism and we get Soviet Communism, but not how they feel about eachother. It is a result of a one-sided learning of history that exists in many discussions in and outside of the classroom. This definitely was an eye-opener.
January 24, 2010 at 3:50 pm #31381Anonymous
GuestDidn't Russia have more of "commune's" where they broke off in neighborhoods supporting Communisim, and China was more centrilized- with the idea: "All for one, and one for all"? Did that last sentence make any sense? But I thought that both countries were very simmilar & that Russia basically was the financial supporter of China in the begining stages? Yet it does seem that Russia is more of a true form of communism and China seems to be- maybe more towards capitalism...?
January 25, 2010 at 7:56 am #31382Anonymous
GuestMao build a Communist one-party totalitarian state built on the same Communist ideology in Russia. The goal was to reshape the economy and society that was once ruled by dynasties. With the help of the Soviets, the Chinese built dams and factories. Mao gave land to the peasants at first and then later collectivized the land and labor to try and increase productivity. Mao's Great Leap Forward created communes to try and increase farm and industrial output. They were more small-scale, backyard type industries that proved to produce low-quality, useless goods. The Commune food system cut food output partly because it removed the incentives for individual farmers. This lead to neglected farmland and food shortages. China was slow to recover from this.
China & the Soviet alliance during the 1950s was shaky. There was mistrust between the two countries and tensions dating back to territory disputes between czarist Russia and dynastic China. Eventually, the Soviets withdrew all aid and advisors from China as China went on to develop its own kind of communism. This of course, opened the door for the United States to rethink "China". If the U.S. could improve relations with the Chinese they might isolate the Soviet Union on both sides.
February 7, 2010 at 2:50 pm #31383Anonymous
GuestI just have an odds-and-ends kind of response. I loved how Korea is described as a "bumpy" country. I remember a similar experience from travels in India and especially living in Russia--they certainly don't have a strong sense of personal space there.
I found fascinating how farming switched from a commune-type system back to semi-ownership in China and wondered if those people who weren't good at farming just learned by doing. And, in as much as this system is still in effect, if land is inherited and if there is a system of primogeniture in place.
I also really liked the idea of looking at and comparing currency. I don't teach history, but that seems like it would be a great, fun exercise to do in a history class--or economics.
This is a little rough, but perhaps it could be brought into a language arts class at the beginning of a unit on stories from around the world or to teach symbols--students would create their own marks of currency and have to explain the images/symbols, etc.
February 15, 2010 at 9:49 am #31384Anonymous
GuestI like the idea of designing currency. The students can research images and symbols and recreate currency for our modern times. While reading historical fiction books, students can base their designs on the historical period they are reading about. I have my students design postage stamps based on a person they read about in a biography or autobiography. This project can be used in a history class. They can research not only the currency of China, but also other symbols and images used on stamps and in advertising and propaganda.
February 23, 2010 at 2:16 am #31385Anonymous
GuestWe're missing a thread for last nights class, but after the discussion on the 4 T's (I personally think Tsing-Tao should have been one of them) I found a bit of the interview with the Dalai Lama on Larry King. Here's the link if you want to watch:
February 23, 2010 at 1:05 pm #31386Anonymous
GuestI like the stamp idea.. and after our last class.. concluding lecture, seeing the money again... a fun extension lesson would be having the students design a modern layout for the back of a us $bill to incorporate technology, or industry.. this would get them thinking about our imports, and commodities.. what is the us known for? and have them acknowledge the architecture first, and replace it with another version .
February 25, 2010 at 11:32 am #31387Anonymous
GuestI thought it was interesting how China changed the images on their currency from one where the "worker" is hailed to one where Mao is lionized much like Washington. I think it definitely says something about how he is viewed culturally and his importance in Chinese society versus the members of the society themselves who no longer grace the currency.
February 26, 2010 at 1:24 am #31388Anonymous
GuestOn the currency issue: the bill with the depiction of the citizens (farmer, soldier, peasant, etc) was actually refreshing to me. Given the images that grace the US currency, it's hard to picture images of citizens on our currency. If we had a picture like that, I can picture a scene simialr to that of the front of a college brochure where you see one person of each race and color sitting together in polite/casual discussion.
February 27, 2010 at 2:41 am #31389Anonymous
GuestDesigning a bill or a stamp representing the modern US is a great lesson plan idea! Thanks for sharing it! I am interested is seeing what my students will come up with!
March 1, 2010 at 11:38 am #31390Anonymous
GuestCommunism was adopted by these countries to work with their economies.
Karl Marx's theory on communism was meant for industrial workers of the world to unite and rise up against the bourgeoisie capitalists and take control over all the means of production in society. Lenin in Russia did not have much of an industrialized society so his "Russian style" of communism called for a "dictatorship of the proletariat" (peasant laborers) and would have an elite group control society. There goals were similar; end private ownership and redistribute land to peasants. At first Mao was in line with this thinking but when Stalin came to power in Russia is where China and Russia begin to see communism differently.
March 4, 2010 at 2:49 pm #31391Anonymous
GuestIf there is another person in China's history since 1949 that needs to be remembered besides Mao, it is Deng Xiao Ping. He was the first Chinese leader to visit the western world, and opened China to the outside world that made China what it is like today.
Most Chinese people are grateful to Deng. Without the changes he brought to China, China would have remained what it was like during Mao's time, and what it is like today in North Korea.
March 6, 2010 at 8:28 am #31392Anonymous
GuestIt's too bad we didn't get a bit further in the course to cover present-day China. I know that most of the information that makes it's way out of China is filtered by the government's censors. I'm curious to know how China reconciles communism with the inroads made by capitalism into daily life. How does a true believer in communism deal with buying his child a copy of the latest Disney movie? How tight are the internet censors? What is taught in schools?
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