2/22/10 - Session 9 - Dube - China 1976 to Present and Conclusion

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  • #5274
    Rob_Hugo@PortNW
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    I'll take the initiative to get the conversation started here. Perhaps it's because I'm a bit young and missed out on a lot of the good old cold war days, but before this class I never really gave much thought to the political connection between China and USSR/Soviet Union/Russia. Maybe it's because I consider the two nations to be so different regarding culture, that I wouldn't expect them to have any similarities politically. [Edit by="bshapiro on Feb 23, 10:23:15 AM"][/Edit]
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    #31219
    Anonymous
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    In the last session, Dube concluded his notes on the prevailing points: Social Dislocation, Environmental Degradation, and Health Care.. In response to health care, recently in the LA times, there was a sad article about people in China who wait for days and months to secure an appointment to visit a doctor or health facility.. People wait days, in the hospital waiting rooms, and often are "cut in line" by someone who pays for someone to sit in line! I was appalled, sounds like someone scalping tickets for a show.. if you have money, you can afford to pay for this convenience, but those who can't .. their stuck waiting another day for better luck getting to see a doctor. WOW!

    #31220
    Anonymous
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    I think one thing that stood out for me was the slim line of difference that existed between the Nationalists and Communists during the Chinese civil war. I was taught the Nationalists were attempting to create a form of democracy in China while the Communists were standing in their way. When I learned in college that Taiwan was finally coming out from under martial law to hold democratic elections in the early 1990's, it never occurred to me that maybe they (the Taiwanese) were living under an authoritarian regime much like the one governing Korea. Definitely an eye-opening moment for me.

    #31221
    Anonymous
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    It's hard to imagine growing up and living in a country without a democratic government and elections. For as many problems as we have here, they seem minimal when comparing to some of these other historical moments. I can't even imagine living in a place subject to martial law.

    #31222
    Anonymous
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    Imagine being in university during this time with information changing on a daily basis! Indeed it was exciting! Having majored in Soviet politics, I too, was amazed to see the similarities between what was happening in the Soviet Union and in China!

    #31223
    Anonymous
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    Although I have lived in and been well served under a socialized medicine situation, this could happen especially when a program is implemented in a large country. I fear this could happen here. The West often hears about how China has free health care for everyone, but they do not hear many stories like this.

    #31224
    Anonymous
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    Mao said, "The more you read the less you know....The more bourgeois you become..." This surprised me becasue I did not expect such a powerful leader in the world to fear knowledge. Perhaps he feared his people learning about what existed beyond their borders or that his people may question his authority? But then again, those are my perceptions from the West!

    #31225
    Anonymous
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    I totally agree with Kelli regarding Mao's comments. I, too, am surprised by this, for we believe reading equals knowledge. I think Mao's control over the people was about his obsession to be an omnipresence in their lives, editing out the rest of the world.

    #31226
    Anonymous
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    Because Mao embraced the Communist theory regarding economics it did not surprise me his view regarding the educated middle class. His focus was on the peasant population and their unequal access to land ownership which was the economic base in China. It was the landowning middle class that held the peasants back. Their selfish capitalism created the unequal classes in society. The communist goal was to take away all private ownership and redistribute land to the peasants. I think his quote about knowledge was just a good piece of political propaganda. He fell in line more with Lenin's communism (Karl Marx) in Russia the Stalin's. Its really Stalin's communism that drives the break between the Soviets and China.

    #31227
    Anonymous
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    One of the greatest fears from the U.S. and Western democracies during the Cold War was the strength the Soviets would have if they developed a strong relationship with China. Two huge nations geographically connected with ballistic missiles and nukes was a real fear. It was a main reason Nixon finally decided to make "nice" with China when he had the opportunity. If a relationship could be established this would weaken the Soviet position. As it turned out it was one of the best things Nixon did during his presidency. Most of us remember his mistakes better.

    #31228
    Anonymous
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    oddly enough, it sounds more like our criminal justice system!

    #31229
    Anonymous
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    AIG news story

    On my way into work, I heard this story on NPR. AIG is selling their Asian branches to Prudential. It seems so strange to hear this now that I know our seminar is funded by the descendants of the AIG founder who built his business empire in Asia. It's a very difficult economy, but this still surprised me.
    It's unfortunate that we didn't get quite up to the present day with the seminar. Does anyone know how badly the world economic crisis is hitting China and the rest of Asia? I've heard Korea has lost a lot of jobs, and a growing segment of the population is currently underemployed.

    #31230
    Anonymous
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    Mao himself read a lot. Half of his bed was full of books. He didn't like well educated and well informed people simply because they are hard to control.

    After 1949, what he did was not for the people, but to keep his position. At least many Chinese intellecturals think so.

    #31231
    Anonymous
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    I still remember the day when I heard the broadcast announcing that China and the U. S. established diplomatic relations. (Back then, whenever there was a big breaking news, it was broadcasted all over China. You could hear it anywhere even working in the field. ) I was on my way home from my elementary school. The news was a shock to everybody: what we learned from school and heard from the radio before that day was that U. S. and the Soviet Union were the two biggest enemies of China. All of a sudden, Mao met Nixon and shook hands with him! Unbelievable!

    Mao was the only person in the position to make the move from China's side in his time

    #31232
    Anonymous
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    In today's political consultative conference in China, Premier Wen addressed the healthcare issue with an emphasis on social justice.

    Among the disadvantaged Chinese, there is a strong nostalgic sentiment to Mao's time when every ordinary citizen was equally poor and got the same treatment (when they got sick). The middle class, and those who are rich thanks to Deng Xiao Ping, feel and think differently. The gap between the rich and poor in China is growing rapidly since China opened to the outside world three decades ago under Deng Xiao Ping, the great leader.

    The seminar didn't have much time to talk about Deng. Actually he deserves at least as much attention as Mao.

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