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  • #28787
    Anonymous
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    well, I believe for the most part, many empires and dynasties in the past were ruled with an "iron fist." I think our idea of a modern democracy is a relatively new idea (like Clay had said, our democracy relatively speaking is not much older than many Chinese dynasties).

    Some more key points I have learned from the sessions:
    -China had so many Dynasties, if you were to rule, you would be paranoid too.
    -China is not like America-we have two neighbors here...China had the Mongols to always worry about...their Great Wall is a testament to this...
    -Mandate of Heaven: any disaster (man-made or natural) could spell an end to your rule...it's be wise to be a bit controlling...

    In regards to today, I do agree there censorship on not only speech but religion is strict, but with ~1.1 Billion citizens, I can see why they would try to have tight control over nearly every aspect of Chinese life (I'm not saying I agree with it).

    #28788
    clay dube
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    It's great to have S.Gregg's review -- please also post it in the contemporary China thread in the Asia in My Classroom forum. I think many will appreciate it.

    http://uschinaforum.usc.edu/showpost.aspx?PostID=6185&PageIndex=4

    Please be sure to put "James Tong on Falungong suppression" in the subject line.

    #28789
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    In order to get a better picture of this era, I purchased a DVD of "The Honest Offical Yu Chenglong" performance by the Beijing Opera (formerly the Peking Opera). It turned out to be a terrific teaching tool. The story is about Yu Chenglong, a newly posed Commissioner of Justice in Fujian, who finds out that his predecessor had treated the people very badly and cast thousands of people into prison. Regardless of his personal safety he stands up for the imprisoned innocent people before powerful Prince Kang stationed in Fujian. He uncompromisingly struggles against the insidious Le Chun and Ka Lin (assistant ministers appointed by his predecessor, who are struggling to rise in power) to save the old and weak from jail. Eventually he, by virtue of his uprightness and persistence, brings obstacles to submission and peace to the people.

    The performers are excellent at both mime, singing, dance and acrobatics. I know the students will appreciate the acrobatics' connection to the contemporary Chinese films in which the combatants are most magical in their movements. I Know I was fascinated. The costumes are gorgeous and if the courts of the time wore anything like them (I believe the Opera tries for accuracy) it must have been awesome to the commoners. In addition, this story is timeless and will connect well with several from other parts of the world. This DVD will provide a "feels like you were there" experience for many students to come.

    #28790
    Anonymous
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    There is a useful article on the recent discovery of a Tang Dynasty shipwreck on the National Geographic Society web page under the educators section. This is the first realia of this dynasty that has been found that testifies to the maritime silk trade route between China and Persia. The artifacts are porcelain ceramic small bowls, tall storage jars, and other useful objects. All are beautifully decorated in the traditional Chinese style.

    These artifacts are important to our bank of knowledge since they give concrete verification that this trade was routine, constant and just as important as the overland route. There is a wonderful photo gallery that can be turned into a power point presentation that will be very useful in reinforcing retention of the details of the Silk Trade that was so important to the development of Western civilization.

    #28791
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    This session reminded me why I dislike Chinese History when I was in grade school. During grade school, I mostly only needed to memorize the people, dynasties, time, etc. It served no purpose to me at that time. However, when I revisited the topic this time, I understand how the philosopher(s) related to each dynasty and their downfall/ success.

    I also enjoyed the debate very much, although I was nervous. I am very sure the students will also be engaged to this type of learning activity.

    #28792
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    This was a great class session. I am grateful for the wonderful section on Chinese philosophy in my resource notebook. It has an excellent introduction, unit overview and context, and the section entitled "Dramatic Moment" will make this unit a joy to try with my students next year.

    It is also from this section that I take my avatar for this forum. Han Fei Zi (280-233 B.C.E.) is an important Legalist thinker because he believed that rulers should pick their officials based on their merit, regardless of their wealth or political power. This is an incredibly modern view and is echoed even today by President Obama who recently spoke about the virtues of reinstituting merit pay for educators. Master Han Fei also believed that in order for chaos to be halted and order to be restored, citizens need to do what the state wanted, and not necessarily what their families wanted.

    #28793
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    I learned a great deal from Dr. Dube's lecture tonight. As a legalist in tonight's debate, I found it interesting to learn that Taoism, which teaches that desire is the root of suffering, is actually the school of thought that the grand historian feels gave birth to Legalism. "Legalism should be blamed on Taoism," he wrote. Legalists generally believe that people can be governed by, "sticks and the occasional carrot" because they fear pain and lust for pleasure.

    #28794
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    Like many fellow classmates, I thoroughly enjoyed class this evening, but only wish we had had more time allowed for the debate. Looking around the room, it seemed many people had really prepared throroughly, and I would have like to hear more from them. I also really appreciate Professor Dube including the detailed plans for teaching such a lesson in class in our binders. As a high school English teacher, it made me consider using the four philosophies as the basis for my 10th graders' expository essays next year.

    #28795
    Anonymous
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    More debate time would have been excellent. The size of the class demanded that the time be extended to allow everyone to participate, and to allow speakers to elaborate their points of view. I think Clay did well in managing the debate to keep any onme individual from dominating, but we really needed more time to get into the each of the different philosophies.

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