4/14 - Ye - Using Film to Teach About China
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April 14, 2009 at 10:21 am #4970
Rob_Hugo@PortNW
KeymasterHi everyone,
Please share your thoughts about our April 14 session, "Using Film to Teach About China," by Professor Yang Ye, by replying to this post.
-Miranda
April 15, 2009 at 12:16 am #28697Anonymous
GuestI remain skeptical about using feature films with my students (7th grade World History students with an average 5th grade reading level)
Certainly not an entire film. I'd have to find snippets that align well with the content. Quite frankly, I didn't see any last night. I suppose Farewell My Concubine would work (if I were teaching contemporary Chinese History in high school). It seems that a big drawback for snippeting feature films is that you lose the background to the scene and the characters. It was hard enough last night following Professor Ye as he caught us up on the stories, but with 7th graders? Any ideas for middle schoolers?
I was a bit befuddled with how to integrate Susan Sontag's view to focus on the WHAT and the HOW of art, but not the MEANING into a 7th grade classroom. It's basically ALL ABOUT THE MEANING for me in the classroom. If I were teaching film/art appreciation it would be another matter, but I am not. The same can be said for the technical aspects of film. I would have liked to have seen more films that are 7th grade classroom-ready.
The videos I do show in class tend to be historical/documentary. One for 8th grade US History that comes to mind is Ken Burns' Civil War. I condensed 11 hours down to 1 hour, focusing on some of the key aspects of the war. I prepared a question sheet to be answered while viewing which we discussed in class. The students might have preferred a feature film, but to what end?
April 15, 2009 at 6:30 am #28698Anonymous
GuestI actually use the movie Hero in my 7th grade world history class. (there is one sex scene that I have to fast forward through) One of the China unit's discussion topics is the separation and reunification of China. Hero illustrates the conflict between states, addresses common language which can also give way to discussing common law. Students can also identify and recognize different Chinese natural features as well as get a better understanding of China's diverse climates/ geography.
April 15, 2009 at 6:37 am #28699Anonymous
GuestOh and despite the story being a little confusing and exaggerated fighting, students like Hero because of something Professor Ye introduced his lecture with yesterday, its very colorful and beautifully filmed.
I didnt know there where so many techniques through which one can analyze a film. I can use this to analyze different films throughout the school year. Cross cutting for example is common in historical films. I can do a simple activity in which students tally up different filming techniques to not only appreciate the art, but also understand the message of the film.April 15, 2009 at 2:58 pm #28700Anonymous
GuestI'd have to agree w/the first post response above....I did not find much value in a better way to incorporate film in my lessons. The clips presented were way too long (and I'm not quite sure how they would correlate to the standards-grade 7) and at times, confusing. I was hoping to see media in regards to China's culture, religion, etc.
*even with editing, with the complex and depth storylines we viewed, I am discouraged if those films would be worth the hassle...I can possibly see ways you could use the clips last evening for English, but in a historical sense, it was hard for me to comprehend the various themes last night...[Edit by="mlee on Apr 15, 10:00:06 PM"][/Edit]
April 17, 2009 at 8:10 am #28701Anonymous
GuestI enjoyed Professor Ye's presentation and background information about each of the films.
His lecture was well organized as it showed the early days of Chinese (or Americans dressed up to
look Chinese) in cinema, to the evolution of Chinese directors such as Ang Lee.However, the safest film to show excerpts from is "Hero."
It is easier to convince a principal or parent that "Hero" can be used to show students
about Chinese culture and development - albeit as a supplementary tool.I would not show either of the other two films since they are rated "R."
April 20, 2009 at 5:20 am #28702Anonymous
GuestRegarding the movie entitled, "Hero," I probably would not show the entire film.
Instead, I would write a summary of the movie, (e.g., what characters, conflicts, geography, code of honor) with specific scenes to look for. After that, I would compile a list of questions that students had to
read and then answer as I showed them 15 to 20 minute clips from the movie.When I used this approach for a few other historical films, students recalled more of the
movie and the purpose for watching it.April 20, 2009 at 6:48 am #28703Anonymous
GuestI agree. Using a full feature film, especially a long one like Farewell My Concubine just takes up too much time. I could see myself using a documentary in my study skills class to teach the skill of taking film notes. This is a skill that is hard for RSP kids to do but is needed because teachers use films in almost all of the subject areas. I would like to incorporate some Asian history into this lesson.
April 20, 2009 at 9:43 am #28704Anonymous
GuestI enjoyed Dr. Ye's presentation as well. The films he chose were too long and often included some questionable content, but often those sections of the film can be avoided. I agree that some of these may be a bit confusing in a middle school setting, but in a high school they may work with some set-up beforehand. I teach English, so it is really a stretch to include some of these films in my curriculum. I might use some of them as warm-up's for students to respond to, just to get them writing. In the best case scenario, I would be able to tie a theme or concept from the snippet to something we are currently studying in the class (maybe Chinese poetry?). Oh yeah, Ang Lee has a new movie coming out in the summer, Taking Woodstock,with Demetri Martin. It isn't a comedy per se, but it is supposed to have some humor in it. I must admit that Mr. Lee uses such strong sexual themes in his films, that they are difficult to include in most classes.
April 20, 2009 at 3:00 pm #28705Anonymous
GuestI agree with many of the rest of you that it doesn't make much sense to show entire films in our classes. But, I thought it could be cool to show some clips from Hero in a sixth grade history class-- I thought it did a great job showing the cruelty of emperor Qin, which is something my students are always excited to discuss! In addition, I think providing students with the background information Professor Ye gave us about the various conflicts and struggles for power at the time, and then showing clips, could be a great way for us to illustrate the reality of the warring states period.
-KarenApril 21, 2009 at 1:43 am #28706Anonymous
GuestI enjoyed Prof. Ye's presentation quite a bit. The background information was very helpful. I do agree with the others about showing clips in the classroom, and I also agree with using Hero as one of them. As an art teacher, I am limited in some ways, the representation of Calligraphy and it's importance helps. On a personal note, I actually went and rented Hero and I look forward to watching the entire movie. I look forward to seeing more films on my own to see if I can apply any of the cinematography or content applies to an art class.
April 21, 2009 at 5:54 am #28707Anonymous
GuestI wanted to add that the cinematic approach to storytelling in Chinese films was particularly intriquing
yet, effective.Furthermore, the Russian influence in Chinese films did come as a surprise to me
since I did not know that there would be artistic collaboration between the two countries.However, Russia could use Chinese cinema to propogate the Communist agenda.
April 21, 2009 at 8:14 am #28708Anonymous
GuestI definitely agree with previous posts that many of the movies we viewed clips of would be inappapropriate to show in their entirity, even to high school students.
One idea I did have, though, was for my AP Literature class. We are currently reading and discussing a dystopian novel by Margaret Atwood called The Handmaid's Tale The role of government in the private lives of the people is an important theme in the novel, as are notions of gender and sexuality. While watching the clip of Farewell My Concubine, I saw numerous parallels that would be interesting to discuss with my AP class. The wife's past history as a prostitute and the sexual orientation/crossdressing of the main character would be great for writing prompts and discussions.
Professsor Ye chose great movies to show us scenes from, but the part of me that loves stories really didn't like watching only the ends of films!
April 21, 2009 at 8:38 am #28709Anonymous
GuestAs another note... last year my school's fim teacher showed a film called Bian Lian (The King of Masks) that I was lucky enough to view. For those of you who teach younger grades and are concerned about finding appropriate yet engaging Asian films, this could be a suggestion. The film is 91 minutes and safe for all audiences to view, if memory serves me.
The basic plot is about an elderly street performer who is an extremely talented mask artist. Students watching were blown away by the speed of the performer; it's incredible to watch. In his old age the man is sold a young boy who he wants to adopt as a grandson. The old performer's goal is to pass the secrets of his art down to the young boy. The plot thickens, however, when he discovers that his new "grandson" is really a little girl...
Just a suggestion!
April 22, 2009 at 2:33 pm #28710Anonymous
Guest"Farewell my Cuncumbine" I thought had a lot of potential if just section of the Cultural Revolution were shown--some of what we saw. Like others I would not try to show the whole of any particular movie, or teach the Russian Formalist vocabulary and concepts in any holistic sense. If a section of one of these movies was shown and one concept or 2 were concentrated on. I might play the Cultural Revolution scene with no audio and have students use a graphic organizer to tally and elaborate on angle of vision, pov, scene description, character...
I would love to get my hands on "Shadow Magic"--the documentary of Chinese cinema, and use sections of that to bring a critical component or element of tradition in cinematic vision/media. I used subtitled anime to great acceptance.
The Cultural Revolution would make a good pairing with any science fiction--The Handmaiden's Tale, The Giver, or Animal Farmetc...
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