I would love to include the discussion of why utilizing primogeniture inheritance patterns has led to the demographic and culture that China has today in comparison to eldest son inheritance or "favorite" son inheritance. I always stress in history classes how the culture of that country is important to understand in order to fully grasp the context of the historical event.
Excellent reference points when the maps of East Asians countries are superimposed over a map of the United States. Puts everything into perspective. Also illustrates and explains climate similarities and differences.
On my drive home today I heard a news story about the Chinese "gay conversion" clinics against which citizens or groups can now bring lawsuits; the first such trial is set to take place later this month. Interesting in light of Professor Dube's brief explanation of the legality of homosexuality in China (according to what I heard it's been off the "mental illness" list for about a decade), and even more so when considering an explanation the newscaster mentioned toward the end of the broadcast for why Chinese might hold a particular stigma against same-sex relationships: homosexuality is a direct deterrent from the Confucian ideal of a man and woman uniting to form a two-parent family. I'm not advocating this perspective or even saying I agree with this interpretation of Chinese attitudes toward sexuality, but it did give me something to think about and reminded me that we didn't get to really dive into the Confucianism-Daoism-Legalism conundrum today. Anybody with greater knowledge of Confucian ideals want to weigh in?
After discussing polyandry due to the shortage of women, I am reminded of a novel called Sky Burial, An Epic Love Story. Here is a synopsis from Goodreads.com
Shu Wen and her husband had been married for only a few months in the 1950s when he joined the Chinese army and was sent to Tibet for the purpose of unification of the two countries. Shortly after he left she was notified that he had been killed, although no details were given. Determined to find the truth, Shu Wen joined a militia unit going to the Tibetan north, where she soon was separated from the regiment. Without supplies and knowledge of the language, she wandered, trying to find her way until, on the brink of death, she was rescued by a family of nomads under whose protection she moved from place to place with the seasons and eventually came to discover the details of her husband's death.
It would be a good novel to use when teaching about Communist China and the invasion of Tibet as well as the idea of polyandry itself compared to monogamy or even polygamy. Are women empowered? How will students view this?
Today you mentioned that a longer life expectancy meant fewer children, and the idea that educated women have less children than those of rural communities with less education. I had heard the idea before that more educated women with career possibilities tend to have less children than those who are not necessarily educated or have the resources available to them, and had attempted to discuss this with my students before when we were discussing the importance of continuing their education and doing well in high school. However, it didn't go so well because they started arguing that Mexicans have a lot of children whether or not they are educated, and then it became a racial debate that got out of hand quickly and I had to put the issue to rest. I'm wondering if you have any advice on reapproaching that idea when I discuss with them why rural communities have more children versus cities?
Also I was surprised that longer life expectancy meant fewer kids. I honestly would have figured it would be the other way around because the longer you live, the better chance you have of having at least one child. I know many people are waiting to have them until they are in their 30s now, but they are still choosing (or not "choosing" but accidentally) having at least 1 child. The population graphs were really amazing to me because I didn't expect to see such a large gap between the young and old, and even the gaps between men and women. I think this would be a great discussion for the students in my classes because we tend to have very unbalanced classes. For example, I had 4 boys in my first class and 12 girls. Last year I had 5 girls and 17 boys. I think it would be a great example to show them using themselves how hard it would be for a population to survive if there are an uneven amount of girls to boys. And the options that they would have to consider such as moving away, stealing women (as you mentioned today), offering incentives for moving into the country, or even a government sponsered dating service But having them discuss and "solving" these problems that are happening in real life will help better prepare them for the real world.
I also found the idea of Fen jia to be interesting because the first thing I thought of when it was mentioned is that eventually you would run out of property to split. I had assumed (wrongly) that China based their inheritence on first son like many other cultures. I hadn't heard of the idea of giving the property to any son because the first son may be undeserving for one reason or another. This sounds like something we would do in the US (and something that many of us probably do in the US already when it comes to inheritance - we just don't include only sons) if we were a "give the property to only your son" kind of country. Again, I think this would be a great discussion for the students on how different cultures treated their sons, daughters, and inheritances. There was so much from today that I found interesting, so the last thing I will say is I was also fascinated by the idea that China may have to turn to poligany (women having multiple husbands) due to the population decreasing. This sounds like many people would instantly view it as "WRONG" because it would be a woman having more than one husband and obviously more than one sexual partner once married. It seems so taboo for a woman to be able to do such a thing, but a man doing it is much more accepted. The idea that China may be forced into it based on population is also alarming because what would happen to the US if we faced such a problem? Again, a great discussion I could have in class with my kiddos!
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QUESTIONS:
1. Japan’s Artificial Intelligence technology is not growing as fast as the nation would like, so how would this affect Japan’s modernization patterns or technological development and growth?
2. Are Japanese people exercising nativist ideals like the ones used in California during the early 1900’s? Ex. Senator James D. Phelan (1907)
I also found the discussion on how fenjia influenced population growth as well as the intensive agricultural techniques to be fascinating. In my American Lit. classes, I discuss how the English laws of primogeniture were a major motivation for the migration of English males to the English colonies in North America. I feel that exposing the students to the the practice of fenjia in China and its effect on the male population would allow them to see how different practices and customs can have profound effects on the behavior of the people in a society. It would be interesting to have the students analyze the many ripple effects that were caused by the English laws on primogeniture and what, if any, effect did it have on England's rise from a small island nation to the most powerful nation in the world. It would be equally fascinating for students to analyze how China's development would change if it adopted the law of primogeniture instead of fenjia.
I was fascinated by the discussion of population trends throughout the last three centuries. I would like to learn more about the 'One-Child' policy. What long-term effects did this have on population as well as society? What is the policy today?
Marriage, specifically the marriage of a man to a woman, is emphasized because Chinese believe that it is important to continue their lineage through their children. My father, whose parents were peasant farmers, told me that it was important to have children so the family's surname could be passed on to the next generation. The lack of children signified the extinction of the family lineage. I'm not sure whether this only reflects the beliefs of the peasant class or reflects the beliefs of the Chinese culture as a whole. Perhaps, this concept is no longer stressed as much by modern Chinese. Also, my father explained how the peasants wanted children because their labor could improve the family's chances for survival. Also,l children were valued because they would take care of their parents when they got old. In this sense, children had a very a very practical and utilitarian purpose. They were viewed as a necessity for survival.
It would be interesting for students of survey their parents, teachers, and peers to learn how they view children and the reasons why they would have or not have children.
"If we look to live, we'll die; if we look to die, we'll live"
----- Admiral Yi
I am very impress by this quote. For the call of industrial revolution in nineteen century, Japan took the risk of change, and then thrived. By contrast, China didn't seek for change and then lost the relationship.
I will involve this quote and the episode of history in teaching. One of the purposes for us to learn history is we learn from others' experience, good or bad. If you don't want to "die", you have to push yourself out of comfort zone, accept and adapt to change. Many of my students are from families under poverty. Due to lack of learning resource and supervision, some of them are struggling in academic study. They tend to be very easily to give up when they encounter difficulties. This quote will remind both me and my kids to be risk takers and life long learners.
I really liked the idea that lvalladares had about putting the students into groups to understand the idea of fenjia. To take it a step further, perhaps the teacher can develop different scenarios where each student will have to determine what to do when the land is not enough to support the family. The student will be forced to think of other ways to support the family. Have the students come up with alternatives to be able to provide for the family and how to connect this with what the Chinese had to do to in this same situation.
Clay, Thank you for bringing in the "fenjia" to our seminar, you might have no idea it is how difficult for me (China's younger generation) to understand this concept these days. Due to the One Child Policy, most of my friends and me are the only child in our families, even "the beat generation" is entitled to us by the public to demonstrate how over-indulgent and self-centered we are when we are surrounded by 2 parents and 4 grandparents. Unlike the American counterparts, Chinese parents are not the "hands-off" type, they save a good fortune for their children (remember the saving accounts for over 40% of Chinese spending in today's class? ), preparing for our housing, car, wedding, even their grandchildren Literally, you basically get everything from your family, especially in the urban area. There is even a saying " boys are the bank of Construction, girls are the bank of Merchants", because normally, the obligation of purchasing a house for newly weds falls on the shoulders of groom's parents.
I have never thought about Fenjia in this new perspective until today - household units are getting smaller so people get to increase their productivity by working another job, hiring themselves out or intensifying their cultivation. People are working their land really hard to live, to survive. I still can see that mentality nowadays. Chinese families who own land usually maximize the productivity by using every inch of their land. This is just my observation when I visit Chinese land owners here. Their yards are usually cultivated with all sorts of vegetable and fruits versus a nice lawn. Some families even keep poultry for consumption.
[font=Times, 'Times New Roman', serif]I am kind of the "witness" of the One Child policy, cuz I am the only one kid in my family, on the bright side, no one share the love from my parents with me, pretty much like a VIP in my family, I am serious. [/font][font=Times, 'Times New Roman', serif] For some demographic and economic reasons, A new amendment is put onto the one child policy nowadays in China: If either parent is an only child, then they are eligible to have two children of their own.[/font]
Chen, the quotes you posted earlier about the reason of rapid population growth in 1950s are resonant with the information I got from my middle school history class about 9 years ago, I was taught back then it was Mao's idea to boost Chinese population, he said we got a brand new PRC, more people means more labor, then a baby boom followed.
It was interesting to see this issue from the lens of different perspectives: Clay and my history textbook.