thoughts about session 3 on 7/24 w/Dr. Dube

[Anonymous]

As a farmer of the Confucius predilection I must quote master Kong, "In serving his father and mother a man may gently remonstrate with them. But if he sees that he has failed to change their opinion, he should resume an attitude of deference and not thwart them; may feel discouraged, but not resentful. So although my father broke the law, I would point it out but in the end I would continue to show respect.

[Anonymous]

My father knowingly broke the law and I am deeply hurt by his actions. I wish he would have considered how putting his own desires above others violates not only the victim but himself. I am saddened that he didn’t love this person the same way he loves me. If he did, he would not be facing the inevitable consequences.
The debate today was interesting. I learned a lot about the different philosophies people hold in China. I am glad that I picked the Mohists because I find their way of thinking countercultural especially in America and especially today. Love someone as I love myself or my family? Ridiculous! I want to use a rendition of this activity in my classroom. Maybe I will think of how to connect these philosophies to one of the novels my class reads.

[Anonymous]

The choice, for any legalist, is simple. Laws are made for all to follow, it is this kind of favoritism toward one's kin that creates problems in society. Sorry, dad, off you go.

[Anonymous]

Could we please have a more healthy breakfast and lunch? I really like fruit, but it tasted sour. Maybe yogurt for breakfast and more salads for lunch.

Thank you for all you have done, I really appreciate it.

Katie

[Anonymous]

The law is the law - they are put in place for a reason, sometimes it is because something has happened that caused it. If my Dad knowingly breaks the law then he will have to suffer the consequences. However, if he breaks the law unknowingly, then this will be a learning experience. Sorry Dad !!

[Anonymous]

As a legalist, I believe anyone who breaks the law must be punished for it, and punished quickly. This would be for the good of the state. Everyone is susceptible to the law, with no exceptions for there to be order and peace. If the law is not being enforced by anyone, and only my father would be punished, I might feel differently on the topic, and go into a discussion on clearly stated and enforced laws. The why behind the breaking of the law should not be incorporated if the law is clearly stated and enforced. If the law is not enforced, then there is a whole discussion on society as a whole, as it would be chaotic and need stability.

[Anonymous]

I thought it might be helpful for the standards to be mentioned for the Earlier part of Chinese history for the teachers outlining their plans.

6.6

Students analyze the geographic, political, economic, religious, and social structures of the early civilizations of China.
Locate and describe the origins of Chinese civilization in the Huang-He Valley during the Shang Dynasty.
Explain the geographic features of China that made governance and the spread of ideas and goods difficult and served to isolate the country from the rest of the world.
Know about the life of Confucius and the fundamental teachings of Confucianism and Taoism.
Identify the political and cultural problems prevalent in the time of Confucius and how he sought to solve them.
List the policies and achievements of the emperor Shi Huangdi in unifying northern China under the Qin Dynasty.
Detail the political contributions of the Han Dynasty to the development of the impe­ rial bureaucratic state and the expansion of the empire.
Cite the significance of the trans-Eurasian “silk roads” in the period of the Han Dy­ nasty and Roman Empire and their locations.
Describe the diffusion of Buddhism northward to China during the Han Dynasty.

This is from the cde.ca.gov website. I find this to be especially helpful with some of discussion used today.
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[Anonymous]

So far I have really enjoyed taking in the information that is being shared during the class session. At this point I am trying to draw connections in my mind as to how I am going to be adding south-east Asian history into my curriculum since there are limited state standards that address this region and is completely void from AP European content! But I swear I am going to make it work! It is so important for students to understand the dynamics that define this region and how these civilizations directly influenced technology, politics as well as economics in Europe and ideologies from this region aided in the re-birth of Europe. I am enjoying the overview that I have received and I am looking forward to Thursday

[Anonymous]

As a Confucian, if my father committed a transgression, I would still support and honor him as my loyalty to my father supersedes my loyalty to the state. If all fathers act as benevolent leaders, and his children and wife treat him with respect and do their duty as they should, he will be better able to make good decisions and there will be order and consistency in society. Even though my father may have done something wrong, the greater wrong would be to criticize my father and not show my support as that would contribute to the breakdown of society and order and peace that we have worked hard to achieve.

[Anonymous]

I found it really interesting how it was that the Zhou dynasty claimed to have the mandate from heaven to be in charge, like Louis XVI did when ruling. I find it really interesting how each time rulers and countries use god as a means for justification for their ruling and actions.
edited by dcontreras on 7/25/2012

[clay dube]

Thanks to Tiffany for mentioning the standards. You can find them here:
http://china.usc.edu/ShowArticle.aspx?articleID=2073 -- for those emphasizing East Asia

CA Dept of Education
http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/

[Rob_Hugo@PortNW]

Hi all,

Please share your thoughts about the third session here.

-Xin

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the info on the Dynasties Song. Very funny notion. Also: The concept of the Mandate of Heaven originated with the Zhou Dynasty at the expense of the Shang. Either way the idea continued until the 20th Century. Is that notion still present in the minds of present day Chinese? In some ways, all governments need to 'deliver the goods' to their people.

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